primitives being europhobic

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madokie  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-26-10 09:45 AM
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You know where I think the Europeans went wrong when they came here and connived, stole and killed their way into the territory so as to bring their new 'revised' way of doing things from living to governing here. We, or they should have paid more attention to the Native Americans and learned from them then it would have been a break from what they were running from, rather they brought what they were running from with them. What ****ing idiots

jus' sayin'

Kali  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-26-10 10:00 AM
NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE BITTER OLD VERMONTESE CALI PRIMITIVE
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1. ...1) THE Europeans? they/we certainly weren't an homogeneous group, just like the aboriginal peoples weren't.

2) they did change the way things were from "back home"

3) The Native Americans weren't all a bunch of peaceful basket weavers either. There was slavery, warfare, ecological destruction and all the things you want to associate exclusively with Europeans.

vadawg (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-26-10 10:02 AM
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3. i doubt everything would be utopia if the europeans had followed the OP's idea..

Double T (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-26-10 10:00 AM
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2. White men (and women) nothing but a whole lot of double trouble.

The white man ended up 'stealing' the native American lands, then 'generously' allowed them to live on little land patches known as reservations. Interesting how some things NEVER change and they actually become much worse.

GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-26-10 10:14 AM
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4. Romanization of stone age cultures. FAIL 

The OP is based on the idea that the Natives were blissful, peaceful people who sat around and communed as one with nature and had a nature high all the time.

msongs  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-26-10 10:22 AM
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5. well they had to walk everywhere and had inferior weapons

slackmaster  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-26-10 10:25 AM
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6. I agree. My grandfather was born on the Hopi reservation, to German immigrant parents.

They learned a lot from the Hopi, and vice-versa.

[USA4ME]

madokie
 
You know where I think the Europeans went wrong when they came here and connived, stole and killed their way into the territory so as to bring their new 'revised' way of doing things from living to governing here. We, or they should have paid more attention to the Native Americans and learned from them then it would have been a break from what they were running from, rather they brought what they were running from with them. What ******* idiots

jus' sayin'

Someone's been eating the paint chips ............ again.   

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[JohnnyReb]

Someone's been eating the paint chips ............ again.   

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No, probably more like using some of those native plants the natives used.

[Specbid]

We, or they should have paid more attention to the Native Americans and learned from them...

Yeah, we could have learned a lot. Tribal warfare, done that, but we could have learned to scalp, mutilate, dismember, torture, rape, take hostages/slaves. We could have learned to burn, destroy, kill whole villages. Etc., etc., etc...the "noble savage" was real civilized.

No offense intended to anyone of indian descent. It was a savage time. Only mean that indians gave as good as they got.

[Specbid]

msongs  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-26-10 10:22 AM
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5. well they had to walk everywhere...

Bullshit. They became some of the finest riders ever.

[JohnnyReb]

Bullshit. They became some of the finest riders ever.

But that was only after the evil Euro's brought over the evil, eco polluting horses.

[Specbid]

But that was only after the evil Euro's brought over the evil, eco polluting horses.

True, but they certainly used the horse a little differently than the Spanish. Light cavalry at its lightest.

[The Village Idiot]

How moronic.

They did not bring it with them. They had so much more freedom here than over there. Women had standing in court and could own businesses and property in the Plymouth Colony while not having those things allowed in England at the time. They actually got along well with the natives until the natives and the colony got new leaders that did not like each other as the old leaders had.

[GOBUCKS]

Bullshit. They became some of the finest riders ever.

That's right. And they made some of the finest motorcycles anywhere, but their Indian bikes were rendered useless by their failure to develop filling stations. So the Europeans rode roughshod over them.

[Specbid]

That's right. And they made some of the finest motorcycles anywhere, but their Indian bikes were rendered useless by their failure to develop filling stations. So the Europeans rode roughshod over them.

I thought they burned buffalo patties.

[AprilRazz]

True, but they certainly used the horse a little differently than the Spanish. Light cavalry at its lightest.

Their training techniques were and still are better as well. They were able to make the horse an extension of themselves rather than just a conveyance into battle.

[delilahmused]

They really have no clue...all the alternative lifestyles they embrace would not be permitted in many tribes. There were NO unions and any attempt at feminism would've resulted in a beating, having a piece of your nose cut off, or worse. Women were little more than slaves and their value was measured in horses. Ironically, one of the few women who was treated pretty decently (comparatively speaking) was Cynthia Ann Parker, a white woman married to a Comanche chief. He appears to have loved her very much and grieved her loss until the day he died.

Cindie

[GOBUCKS]

Bullshit. They became some of the finest riders ever.

The savages in North America had never seen a horse until the Europeans brought them over. The idea of riding on something you could eat never occurred to them. They were barely past the point of being able to build a fire.

[Duchess]

That's right. And they made some of the finest motorcycles anywhere, but their Indian bikes were rendered useless by their failure to develop filling stations. So the Europeans rode roughshod over them.

Well, we destroyed the ancient African civilisations which developed flying, so I guess we had to be consistent.

[AprilRazz]

They really have no clue...all the alternative lifestyles they embrace would not be permitted in many tribes. There were NO unions and any attempt at feminism would've resulted in a beating, having a piece of your nose cut off, or worse. Women were little more than slaves and their value was measured in horses. Ironically, one of the few women who was treated pretty decently (comparatively speaking) was Cynthia Ann Parker, a white woman married to a Comanche chief. He appears to have loved her very much and grieved her loss until the day he died.

Cindie

Loved her enough not to take any other wives. She died after being sent back to white relatives they say of a broken heart (but in reality of what probably killed her daughter).
She did have an interesting story.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

No offense intended to anyone of indian descent. It was a savage time. Only mean that indians gave as good as they got.

None taken.

Papa bunny was half Carib Indian.

They were cannibals until the white man showed up and told them they couldn't do that anymore.









Stupid white man!

[whiffleball]

I invite the Double T Primitive to take up residence in Malawi or suchlike, so that the only white devils he need trouble himself with are perhaps missionaries and Peace Corps volunteers.  Would the Double T learn to love life with widespread famine, disease and dirt farming?

[DumbAss Tanker]

GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-26-10 10:14 AM
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4. Romanization of stone age cultures. FAIL

I think this illiterate fool meant 'Romanticizing,' but I'm having a hard time removing the mental picture of a caveman armed with gladius, pilum and scutum talking to another one in a toga.

 

Hey DU, if you're going to post something totally screwed up when criticizing a fellow moran, spare yourself the public humiliation of flinging 'Fail' at them in the course of your unlettered tirade.

 

[GOBUCKS]

They really have no clue...all the alternative lifestyles they embrace would not be permitted in many tribes. There were NO unions and any attempt at feminism would've resulted in a beating, having a piece of your nose cut off, or worse. Women were little more than slaves and their value was measured in horses.
Cindie

It is amazing the things you can learn here. I never suspected that North America's aboriginal savages were muslim.