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primitives discuss bypassing septic tanks
« on: January 30, 2010, 08:53:03 AM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=246x12427

Oh my.

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Psssst...humanure...

http://humanurehandbook.com/downloads/Humanure_Handbook...

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1. Ain't no way we would do this and I'm sorry I opened the link out of curiosity. It's a 260 page pdf that brought my browser to a screeching halt!

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2. fabulous book! just outright bought it.

On our little 2.2 acre micro farm in the making, we don't, and cannot afford plumbing yet. We did put up a yurt to spend time on the property and work the greenhouse/ garden. The dilemma was 'where' to make the deposit- responsibly.

Built our own commode and placed it in the old barn for privacy, and use sawdust for the breaking down/ composting. No smell- The only less than fun part is emptying into a compost pile not used for the edible garden- and its really not that bad.

The science is sound- Composting toilets should be mandatory.

Totally recommend.

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5. I made my own "blend" - 

humanure in wood ash, crushed egg shells, and 15-20% urine/water mix

I think I did something right

after which a photograph of some garish-looking thing

I had to remove some glass panes to let that plant grow through the roof.

ONE PLANT - that's what you're looking at.

No commercial fertilizers, pesticides, etc.,

I had two plants like that, I figure I got over 500 tomatoes per plant(cherry), giving a hundred or so bi-weekly to our local food bank.

More info and pix at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Most people I know wouldn't touch the veggies grown with humanure;

strange isn't it? - horse shit, cow shit, pig shit, chicken shit, . . BAT-SHIT!!

but not human shit - put it in our rivers and lakes instead . .

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Re: primitives discuss bypassing septic tanks
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 09:01:11 AM »
Do I dare ask what kind of paper work they use to finish the job an how they dispose of it.
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Re: primitives discuss bypassing septic tanks
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2010, 09:48:21 AM »
Quote from: Carl on January 30, 2010, 09:01:11 AM
Do I dare ask what kind of paper work they use to finish the job an how they dispose of it.
One square doesn't create a problem.
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Re: primitives discuss bypassing septic tanks
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2010, 09:53:08 AM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on January 30, 2010, 09:48:21 AM
One square doesn't create a problem.

It's also one square more than I can envision :puke: DUmmies using.  Perhaps it's one of those "cultural" things they think we can all learn from the a-rabs.
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Re: primitives discuss bypassing septic tanks
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2010, 10:01:32 AM »
Oh dear God.  And just when you think the DUmmies couldn't get any more gross or ass backwards, they talk about this. 

They really need to start their own gastrointestinal issues/outhouse group. 


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Re: primitives discuss bypassing septic tanks
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2010, 10:55:27 AM »
my old ancestors used to do that, then there kids got learned to read, got better jobs, and could afford plumbing.  If these idiots like living like this let them move to some up river village in Africa.
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Re: primitives discuss bypassing septic tanks
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2010, 11:52:10 AM »
And of course, as soon as the neighbors "get wind" of what the farming DUmmies are doing, the town will come down on them like a ton of bricks.  Nothing like contaminating your neighbor's well to generate good will.
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Re: primitives discuss bypassing septic tanks
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2010, 12:06:43 PM »
frank you forgot to *** out the V-word!!

I am shocked!

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Re: primitives discuss bypassing septic tanks
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2010, 01:12:18 PM »
DUmmie says she has a shed so she should look up "Dirt Comode".

It was an 1800's invention that the 'water closet' put out of business before it really got off the ground. ...ain't capitalism great.
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Re: primitives discuss bypassing septic tanks
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2010, 01:23:06 PM »
I guess that they're clueless as to WHY the most recent outbreaks of e-coli happened. It was because of migrant workers taking dumps in the veggie fields. Untreated human waste is rife with bad bacteria. While plant will grow well in human excrement, they will also carry those evil bacteria. IF they found a way to treat it, then it would be OK. Then there's the ground water contamination issue. Powdered lime is a good way to sterilize any fecal matter. They really need to have some sort of background in animal husbandry or farming before they attempt to do absurd things like this.
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Re: primitives discuss bypassing septic tanks
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2010, 01:35:04 PM »
Quote from: Thor on January 30, 2010, 01:23:06 PM
I guess that they're clueless as to WHY the most recent outbreaks of e-coli happened. It was because of migrant workers taking dumps in the veggie fields. Untreated human waste is rife with bad bacteria. While plant will grow well in human excrement, they will also carry those evil bacteria. IF they found a way to treat it, then it would be OK. Then there's the ground water contamination issue. Powdered lime is a good way to sterilize any fecal matter. They really need to have some sort of background in animal husbandry or farming before they attempt to do absurd things like this.

Exactly.  The reason for the big increase in life expectancy in the US and Europe (and Asia) is proper santiation.
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Re: primitives discuss bypassing septic tanks
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2010, 01:50:03 PM »
Perhaps someone could enlighten me......why would anyone want to do this to start with........?

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Re: primitives discuss bypassing septic tanks
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2010, 02:12:03 PM »
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Perhaps someone could enlighten me......why would anyone want to do this to start with........?

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To literally spread their shit everywhere . . .  :evillaugh:

It might have something to do with "carbon footprints."  It reminds me to increase mine even more.
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Re: primitives discuss bypassing septic tanks
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2010, 02:32:52 PM »
The escrow closing date got moved back a few days on the house we're buying because the bank agreed to fix the septic tank if there were any problems. There was. A cottonwood tree got into the leeching system. So I get a new system. That way, the ground water doesn't get contaminated. I've never had a septic tank before and was puzzled at first at how it worked and why etc, but even I understand the the necessity for for sanitation, building codes and junk like that.

I clicked on the link to the book. It turns out we're not viewing this problem from the right "quantum perspective".

Sigh. Liberalism is now a health hazard.

Oh, and according to the book people are a pathogen infecting the planet and eating your own crap helps keep sacred mother earth from exploding into flames due to global warming.

Why dont they just connect a hose from their butts to their mouths and be done with it?
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2010, 02:34:15 PM »
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To literally spread their shit everywhere . . .  :evillaugh:

It might have something to do with "carbon footprints."  It reminds me to increase mine even more.

Well......I mean sanitary plumbing is a concept that has been around since the Roman Empire.......why would someone want to recycle shit, when any fool can rent a backhoe, and build a decent septic tank.........its not rocket science......a couple of lengths of four-inch PVC, and a truck load of cinder blocks, with a bag of mortar mix........wtf?

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Re: primitives discuss bypassing septic tanks
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2010, 02:51:08 PM »
I think I found where these DUmbasses got their info....

http://www.humanurehandbook.com/

From what I read, you have to let this stuff decompose for 1-2 YEARS before you can use it, to kill all the pathogens, use/run it thru compost, or you have to "cook" (heat) it....

I've also heard that human waste has high concentrations of heavy metals such as mercury and cadmium....

I think I'll stick with my $10 bag of 10-10-10 I buy for my garden, which along with my stove ashes, produces some very fine veggies....


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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2010, 02:56:58 PM »
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That isn't a "micro farm", that's a suburban lot. The neighbors must love it. Makes a homeowners' association sound a little better. On the other hand, not many of them are likely to have restrictions against saving up tons of shit.
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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2010, 02:57:40 PM »
Quote from: TVDOC on January 30, 2010, 02:34:15 PM
Well......I mean sanitary plumbing is a concept that has been around since the Roman Empire.......why would someone want to recycle shit, when any fool can rent a backhoe, and build a decent septic tank.........its not rocket science......a couple of lengths of four-inch PVC, and a truck load of cinder blocks, with a bag of mortar mix........wtf?

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What you describe is closer to what I have,a cesspool but at least as far as I know here in NY is not legal.
Maybe one could be grandfathered in here but for a new house it has to be an actual tank,plastic or concrete with a precise size leeching field.
The tank has to drain into a distribution box and then several PVC laterals from that through the field.

http://www.inspectapedia.com/septic/NYS75-A.5.htm
It is pretty intricate to meet code.
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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2010, 02:59:13 PM »
How expensive is it to maintain a septic system? The banks' setting up my system for free so I don't know. I know I have to pump it out every once in a while, but that's it.

Thank God none of my neighbors live in Yurts.
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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2010, 03:02:22 PM »
Quote from: Carl on January 30, 2010, 02:57:40 PM
What you describe is closer to what I have,a cesspool but at least as far as I know here in NY is not legal.
Maybe one could be grandfathered in here but for a new house it has to be an actual tank,plastic or concrete with a precise size leeching field.
The tank has to drain into a distribution box and then several PVC laterals from that through the field.

http://www.inspectapedia.com/septic/NYS75-A.5.htm
It is pretty intricate to meet code.

That IS New York........where it takes three engineers, and five different categories of union workers to install a mailbox post........and yeah, I've lived there........

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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2010, 03:02:52 PM »
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How expensive is it to maintain a septic system? The banks' setting up my system for free so I don't know. I know I have to pump it out every once in a while, but that's it.

Thank God none of my neighbors live in Yurts.

Maintaining one is simple.  You have to pump it out about once every 10-20 years, don't flush any motor oil down the toilet, and unless you have a percolation problem, just forget about it.

I've had one here for 25 years, no problems....
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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2010, 03:08:22 PM »
So there's no fuggin' reason to compost your own dookie other than a smug sense of self satisfaction?

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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2010, 03:09:16 PM »
Quote from: Aaron Burr on January 30, 2010, 02:59:13 PM
How expensive is it to maintain a septic system? The banks' setting up my system for free so I don't know. I know I have to pump it out every once in a while, but that's it.

Thank God none of my neighbors live in Yurts.

Installing a good system shouldn't cost more than a couple grand. I've heard of people having to pump every couple of years, but I suspect they are flushing weird stuff down their toilets. Mine was installed five years ago when I bought the place, replacing a very old system that was collapsing. No problems at all, but I am careful what goes down the drain.
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Re: primitives discuss bypassing septic tanks
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2010, 03:10:48 PM »
Quote from: diesel driver on January 30, 2010, 03:02:52 PM
Maintaining one is simple.  You have to pump it out about once every 10-20 years, don't flush any motor oil down the toilet, and unless you have a percolation problem, just forget about it.

I've had one here for 25 years, no problems....

It's recommended that a septic system be pumped out every three years. Apparently, many people have had so much problems with NOT maintaining their septic systems that the last place I had a house, Ramsey, MN, made it a city code to require everybody on a septic system to have their septic systems pumped out every three years. They now send people "reminders".
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Re: primitives discuss bypassing septic tanks
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2010, 03:11:11 PM »
Just remember the Ridex once or twice a month with the tank.
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