UP Wants Off Its Meds

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undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)       Sun Mar-09-08 02:08 PM
Original message
Forcing Psychiatric Drugs Can Increase Violence
 Advertisements [?]Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 02:23 PM by undergroundpanther
NEWS RELEASE - 4 March 2008 - PsychRights - MindFreedom
Media contacts: Daniel Hazen - 315-528-3385 dan@psychrights.org
Krista Erickson - 541-345-9106 krista@mindfreedom.org

More info & download PDF of news release:
http://www.mindfreedom.org/shield/psychrights

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"Forcing Psychiatric Drugs Can Increase Violence," Warns
New Task Force on Mental Health Legal Advocacy & Activism

Promising to fight what they call pervasive and harmful violations of
mental health clients who are involuntarily drugged and
electroshocked in the United States, The Law Project for Psychiatric
Rights (PsychRights) and the MindFreedom Shield Campaign announced
today a joint Task Force on Mental Health Legal Advocacy & Activism.
The new partnership of law and nonviolent direct action has an
initial focus in the states of California, Massachusetts and New York.

PsychRights' President Jim Gottstein declared, "People's rights in
forced drugging proceedings are ignored as a matter of course,
resulting in great harm to them and decreased public safety." David
Oaks, Director of MindFreedom International (MFI), noted, "Violence
by a few individuals labeled 'mentally ill' has led to a backlash
calling for a massive increase in forced psychiatric drugging."

Mr. Gottstein added, "Contrary to public perception, forcing people
to take psychiatric drugs can often increase violence, rather than
decrease it. If people were warned that both taking and withdrawing
from these drugs can at times contribute to committing terrible acts,
they and their loved ones can be alert to the possibility and
tragedies averted."

Krista Erickson, MFI board member and Chair of the MFI Shield
Campaign, said, "I'm excited about MFI and PsychRights expanding our
partnership and focusing the combined power of legal advocacy and
activism on specific cases." The MFI Shield Campaign supports the
wishes of a member to be free of involuntary mental health
intervention with an international "Solidarity Network" of advocates.
The new Task Force plans to use both the court of law and the court
of public opinion.

Task Force organizers say the combination of PsychRights' expertise
for strategic litigation and the "people power" of MindFreedom
activists around the country will bring a synergy and geographic
reach to their demands for people’s legal and human rights. Daniel
Hazen, Northeast Coordinator with PsychRights, added, "In the United
States the 'mental health' industry is a labeling system that often
dismisses self- determination, legal capacity and alternatives.
'Treatment' can be forced through the court systems. People ought to
'have their day in court' but this is often far from what actually
occurs."

MFI is an independent nonprofit coalition defending human rights and
promoting humane alternatives in mental health. The Law Project for
Psychiatric Rights is a public interest law firm devoted to the
defense of people facing what they call the "horrors of unwarranted
forced psychiatric drugging and other forced psychiatric procedures."
PsychRights office is in Anchorage, Alaska: http:/ /
www.psychrights.org . The MFI office is in Eugene, Oregon: http:/ /
www.mindfreedom.org

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ACTION:

Please forward this to all appropriate places on & off Internet.

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Please forward.

A few more links I have added to this forward on this topic :
http://psychrights.org/force_of_law.htm
http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/mental-health-abuse/force... /
http://hymes.wordpress.com/2008/01/03/forced-psychiatri... /
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_148...
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/06/23/bush_to...
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/drugs.htm

And a Quote:


"The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective.


Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal.

We must electronically control the brain. Someday armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain."

Dr José Delgado,Director of Neuropsychiatry Yale University Medical School Congressional Record,No. 26, Vol. 118 February 24, 1974

( Delgado,is another"professional" control freak ****ing psychopath piece of shit IMHO..) Instead of electronic control, today Bush loves the idea of drugging us, to control us,and big pharma rakes in profit at the same time..Ugh.


 

 

turtlensue  (1000+ posts)       Sun Mar-09-08 02:34 PM
Response to Original message
1. I will once again remind you
 Of the dangers of schizophrenics who go off their meds: See Va Tech Shooter. Schizophrenics who are paranoid and delusional are violent and a danger to society. Would you rather them mass shoot people? Or lock them up for the rest of their lives? Many of them can lead quite nice lives when they are appropriately treated.
I will also remind you of the many people (including several of my relatives) whose lives were saved by medications.
YOU DO THE MENTALLY ILL NO FAVORS BY ENCOURAGING THEIR PARANOIA AND DISTRUST OF PROVEN, EFFECTIVE TREATMENT.

walldude  (1000+ posts)      Sun Mar-09-08 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Yup, I do think that many people are over medicated
 and some kids are mis-diagnosed but many people, schizophrenics, bi-polar, depression, these are all real diseases and all treatable with the right meds. Need to be careful about who we are telling to get off their medications.

Some sense from DU? Amazing.

undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)       Sun Mar-09-08 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #3
17. It is the person's choice what they do
 about their meds. I wouldn't want anyone to force me on anti psychotics. That shit does nothing for me because I have PSTD,yet as an adolescent they forced them into me and damage was done.
I want people to be aware!!

undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)       Sun Mar-09-08 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #2
14. I wish
 there was a non authoritarian community waiting to nourish them when people come out of the horrors of the psych wards.
But no, instead we get monitored drugged and stigmatized.
After awhile the process it begins to change you to the point you stop caring because no one cares anyway..
To be a mental patient is to be stigmatized, ostracized, socialized, patronized, psychiatrized.

To be a mental patient is to have everyone controlling your life but you. You’re watched by your shrink, your social worker, your friends, your family. And then you’re diagnosed as paranoid.

To be a mental patient is to live with the constant threat and possibility of being locked up at any time, for almost any reason.

To be a mental patient is to live on $82 a month in food stamps, which won’t let you buy Kleenex to dry your tears. And to watch your shrink come back to his office from lunch, driving a Mercedes Benz.

To be a mental patient is to take drugs that dull your mind, deaden your senses, make you jitter and drool and then you take more drugs to lessen the “side effects.”

To be a mental patient is to apply for jobs and lie about the last few months or years, because you’ve been in the hospital, and then you don’t get the job anyway because you’re a mental patient. To be a mental patient is not to matter.

To be a mental patient is never to be taken seriously.

To be a mental patient is to be a resident of a ghetto, surrounded by other mental patients who are as scared and hungry and bored and broke as you are.

To be a mental patient is to watch TV and see how violent and dangerous and dumb and incompetent and crazy you are.

To be a mental patient is to be a statistic.

To be a mental patient is to wear a label, and that label never goes away, a label that says little about what you are and even less about who you are.

To be a mental patient is to never to say what you mean, but to sound like you mean what you say.

To be a mental patient is to tell your psychiatrist he’s helping you, even if he is not.

To be a mental patient is to act glad when you’re sad and calm when you’re mad, and to always be “appropriate.”

To be a mental patient is to participate in stupid groups that call themselves therapy. Music isn’t music, its therapy; volleyball isn’t sport, it’s therapy; sewing is therapy; washing dishes is therapy. Even the air you breathe is therapy and that’s called “the milieu.”

To be a mental patient is not to die, even if you want to — and not cry, and not hurt, and not be scared, and not be angry, and not be vulnerable, and not to laugh too loud — because, if you do, you only prove that you are a mental patient even if you are not.

And so you become a no-thing, in a no-world, and you are not.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.treatmentonline.com/treatments.php?id=1349
http://stti.confex.com/stti/congrs07/techprogram/paper_... 

Ho-ly shit.

You know, I'm on meds for depression. I actually kind of like it. They help me be able to function, instead of always having that doom & gloom feeling. When I had my post-partum depression, the meds helped me to cope with all the stress. They didn't take it away, they just made me able to function better.

So I guess that technically, I am a mental patient. But I am none of those things UP mentioned. I would rather be on these meds for the rest of my life than be a whackjob like her. Someone needs to take her computer away.

[mamacags]

If that is how she thinks and acts while ON drugs, can you even imagine what she would think and act like without them!?!?!?!

[DumbAss Tanker]

Why don't they just mix them up with her cat food?

[Carl]

That she keeps posting this stuff on an Internet forum makes me wonder how mentally ill she is as opposed to just being a self absorbed attention seeker.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)       Sun Mar-09-08 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #2
14. I wish
 there was a non authoritarian community waiting to nourish them when people come out of the horrors of the psych wards.
But no, instead we get monitored drugged and stigmatized.
After awhile the process it begins to change you to the point you stop caring because no one cares anyway..
To be a mental patient is to be stigmatized, ostracized, socialized, patronized, psychiatrized.

To be a mental patient is to have everyone controlling your life but you. You’re watched by your shrink, your social worker, your friends, your family. And then you’re diagnosed as paranoid.

To be a mental patient is to live with the constant threat and possibility of being locked up at any time, for almost any reason.

To be a mental patient is to live on $82 a month in food stamps, which won’t let you buy Kleenex to dry your tears. And to watch your shrink come back to his office from lunch, driving a Mercedes Benz.

To be a mental patient is to take drugs that dull your mind, deaden your senses, make you jitter and drool and then you take more drugs to lessen the “side effects.”

To be a mental patient is to apply for jobs and lie about the last few months or years, because you’ve been in the hospital, and then you don’t get the job anyway because you’re a mental patient. To be a mental patient is not to matter.

To be a mental patient is never to be taken seriously.

To be a mental patient is to be a resident of a ghetto, surrounded by other mental patients who are as scared and hungry and bored and broke as you are.

To be a mental patient is to watch TV and see how violent and dangerous and dumb and incompetent and crazy you are.

To be a mental patient is to be a statistic.

To be a mental patient is to wear a label, and that label never goes away, a label that says little about what you are and even less about who you are.

To be a mental patient is to never to say what you mean, but to sound like you mean what you say.

To be a mental patient is to tell your psychiatrist he’s helping you, even if he is not.

To be a mental patient is to act glad when you’re sad and calm when you’re mad, and to always be “appropriate.”

To be a mental patient is to participate in stupid groups that call themselves therapy. Music isn’t music, its therapy; volleyball isn’t sport, it’s therapy; sewing is therapy; washing dishes is therapy. Even the air you breathe is therapy and that’s called “the milieu.”

To be a mental patient is not to die, even if you want to — and not cry, and not hurt, and not be scared, and not be angry, and not be vulnerable, and not to laugh too loud — because, if you do, you only prove that you are a mental patient even if you are not.

And so you become a no-thing, in a no-world, and you are not.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.treatmentonline.com/treatments.php?id=1349
http://stti.confex.com/stti/congrs07/techprogram/paper_... 

The more I read her rants on how the mentally ill are treated in this country,the more I'm starting to think she has a borderline personality disorder which psychiatrists will tell you are very difficult to treat and alot of them are med resistant.

[Splashdown]

That she keeps posting this stuff on an Internet forum makes me wonder how mentally ill she is as opposed to just being a self absorbed attention seeker.

Remember, it's a human woman trying to turn itself into a male cat. 

[franksolich]

Oh ****.

I can't believe it.

[DixieBelle]

Me either Frank.

About the website she links -

MindFreedom International is rooted in the psychiatric survivors movement, which arose directly out of the civil rights ferment of the late 1960s and early 1970s. The term 'psychiatric survivor' is used to describe individuals who believe their human rights have been violated by the mental health system. In late 1988, leaders from several of the main national and grassroots psychiatric survivor groups decided an independent coalition was needed, and under its original name, Support Coalition International (SCI) was formed. SCI's first public action was to stage a counter-conference and protest in New York City, in May, 1990, at the same time as the American Psychiatric Association's annual meeting.[3]

[Flame]

so they want to let the psych patients decide for themselves when/if to medicate?  OK...I'll remember that the next time a psycho person goes off and the cops shoot him/her.  They will no longer be albe to wail and lement that "If only the poor person were taken care of the mental docs, this never would have happened".   Can't have it both ways.

[Bondai]

I think it's a great idea for it to go off it's meds. We may rid ourselves of this fool once and for all....

[franksolich]

You know, in the name of humanity, in the name of decency, in the name of compassion, my fellow alum Skins should shut off the subway cat now, and permanently.

Ooops, what am I thinking?

Skins is a Democrat and a liberal.

[Chris_]

To be a mental patient is never to be taken seriously.

Nope - just you, UP.

[RedTail]

I can think of only one person that can help her. . .



*TKay*

[Airwolf]

Not an expert but if she is one of those that meds can;t helo then would she be a prime canadite to keep locked up for the next 10-20 thousand years untill we have the first cat/human hybrid run for office

[BlueStateSaint]

I can think of only one person that can help her. . .



*TKay*

Right on!  Yet, it will never humble itself and ask Our Lord Jesus Christ for help.

[DixieBelle]

I can think of only one person that can help her. . .



*TKay*

LOL!

She's just a few e-meters sessions away from true clarity.

[PatriotGame]

Not only should UP be force fed psychotropic drugs and given shock therapy treatments, she should be neutered, declawed, and locked in a cage.
The only thing it should be allowed to do is to continue to lick her own balls. 

[BlueStateSaint]

Not only should UP be force fed psychotropic drugs and given shock therapy treatments, she should be neutered, declawed, and locked in a cage.
The only thing it should be allowed to do is to continue to lick her own balls. 

SPORK ALERT!!! 

Now I need to bleach my brain out!

[BEG]

I can think of only one person that can help her. . .



*TKay*

Right on!  Yet, it will never humble itself and ask Our Lord Jesus Christ for help.

Ummm that is Tom Cruise, not Jesus.   

[RedTail]

Yup...that isn't Jesus Christ.

It's Jesus Cruise. Bow down in the face of his ruthless ethics.

*TKay*

[Chris_]

To be a mental patient is to live on $82 a month in food stamps, which won’t let you buy Kleenex to dry your tears. And to watch your shrink come back to his office from lunch, driving a Mercedes Benz.

It's living off of $82 a month in food stamps and can't afford Kleenex? Yet has an internet connection to constantly bitch and moan?

[franksolich]

I just a few hours ago heard from a friend in Maryland, who kindly looked something up for me.

If the subway cat is single, living alone, no dependents, subsisting on social security disability or SSI, living in subsidized housing, getting free medical care, in Maryland, the subway cat is "most likely" getting "something a little more than twice" the alleged $82 a month in food stamps.

Stupid primitives, always lying about things that can be checked.

Anyway.

I am appalled that my fellow alum Skins has not yet locked and deleted this thread, because there's some serious mental disturbance going on here, and surely my fellow alum is more professional than that.

I'm now starting to suspect that Skins is letting the bonfire stay lit, so as to, he hopes, elicit really really really nasty comments from this side, so as to prove this side "doesn't care."

My fellow alum's done that before.

Bah humbug.

I really think the subway cat needs immediate and permanent institutionalization, and a lobotomy wouldn't hurt either.

But before that, something else.

I used to look upon the subway cat as simply yet another severely disturbed primitive, but a couple of months ago, I developed a hearty loathing and dislike for her, when she commented that she pens her cat up in a "cage" when the cat "misbehaves."  I assume the "cage" is a cat-carrier.

Primitives are notoriously cruel to the dogs, cats, and birds they own; primitives give them really stupid disrespectful names, some primitives boast about how they use chemical "scents" on carpeting, whatnot, to "cover" the "odor" of cats (rather than simply cleaning the carpets), never minding that such chemical "scents" are hazardous to the health of cats (and dogs and birds too).

And some time ago the maharani primitive admitted she mops her kitchen floor very rarely, forcing her own cat to walk and wade on sticky stuff, germs, vermin, scum.  And lately we've had Oscar Wilde admit to depriving his cat of toilet facilities.

Those things are bad enough; bad enough that primitives should be barred by law from owning pets.

Cats are not people; cats are a different sort of living entity altogether.

That the subway cat "punishes" her cat by penning it up does no good for the cat; in fact, it probably makes the cat more recalcitrant.  I think Sigmund Freud would see it as a latent sadism in the subway cat; the want, or "need" to be violently cruel to another living thing.

And so before the subway cat is marched off to the asylum, one surely hopes she gets horse-whipped too, for what she does to an innocent cat.

[BlueStateSaint]

Yup...that isn't Jesus Christ.

It's Jesus Cruise. Bow down in the face of his ruthless ethics.

*TKay*

 

Whoops!