Why Isn't Brown Releasing His Internals

[Allentownjake]

Why do Liberals never release their internals in political polls?

Ever.

I doubt either party releases their internals that often.  That is valuable information.  Why would you hand that out.  Coakley is releasing her internals as a last minute appeal for help.  If this was a race in Utah and it was a GOP candidate the same things would be going on.  The mechanics of a candidate running an arrogant bad campaign are not partisan.

[NHSparky]

Not really that type of an issue, it is managing information.  You leak information you want others to see.  Coakley showed her internals because she wants democrats from CT and NH to flood into the state to save her ass.  My guess judging by what I've been reading and hearing, she didn't really plan that great of a GOTV effort.  I expect to be reading about what a disorganized cluster it was on Wednesday morning.

Brown was an underdog so he probably has one of the GOP's top GOTV directors already in place and a plan has been formulated and is being implemented for 3-4 weeks.

The mechanics of a campaign are not partisan.  I'm pretty sure the GOP operates the exact way the DNC does in that regards.

ATJ, up here, the Dems aren't getting involved in the Senate race.  They are, however, taking a very close look at it and reacting accordingly.  Carol Shea-Porter (aka, Che-Porter) was quite content in her formerly "safe" House seat, but rumblings have it that she may be reconsidering a run for Senate this year, given that she'll likely lose in November, and could potentially defeat Hodes in a Dem primary, given her more favorable rating among Dems in NH.  Ayotte leads Hodes by nearly 10 points (remember, Obama won NH by 9, and Shaheen beat Sununu by 7).  Hodes leads other named GOP challengers, but only because of name recognition, not actual policy.

They're looking here in NH, they're getting information not released to their base, and they don't like what they're seeing.

[TheSarge]

I doubt either party releases their internals that often.  That is valuable information.  Why would you hand that out.  Coakley is releasing her internals as a last minute appeal for help.  If this was a race in Utah and it was a GOP candidate the same things would be going on.  The mechanics of a candidate running an arrogant bad campaign are not partisan.

And that is the point I'm trying to make.

Liberals...and especially the ones at DU...tend to demand others do things that they themselves...or the politicians they support never do.

And it doesn't just apply to internals of polls.

The big difference is that if this were a Republican in Utah as you say...you wouldn't see us demanding the Dem release their poll internals.

ANd for those that really wanted to know that stuff...well we're motivated enough to go look it up ourselves. 

[Allentownjake]

ATJ, up here, the Dems aren't getting involved in the Senate race.  They are, however, taking a very close look at it and reacting accordingly.  Carol Shea-Porter (aka, Che-Porter) was quite content in her formerly "safe" House seat, but rumblings have it that she may be reconsidering a run for Senate this year, given that she'll likely lose in November, and could potentially defeat Hodes in a Dem primary, given her more favorable rating among Dems in NH.  Ayotte leads Hodes by nearly 10 points (remember, Obama won NH by 9, and Shaheen beat Sununu by 7).  Hodes leads other named GOP challengers, but only because of name recognition, not actual policy.

They're looking here in NH, they're getting information not released to their base, and they don't like what they're seeing.

We got appeals to come to NJ the last two weeks to try to save Corzine.  Generally people from NJ and NY come to PA to help in PA elections since the elections in those states other than a few gerry mandered districts are generally over after a primary.  I expect the Mass democratic party is doing the same thing the NJ democratic party tried to do right before the Corzine election.

[Allentownjake]

And that is the point I'm trying to make.

Liberals...and especially the ones at DU...tend to demand others do things that they themselves...or the politicians they support never do.

And it doesn't just apply to internals of polls.

The big difference is that if this were a Republican in Utah as you say...you wouldn't see us demanding the Dem release their poll internals.

ANd for those that really wanted to know that stuff...well we're motivated enough to go look it up ourselves. 

I'm sure there is plenty of stupid in both parties.  Most of the posters on DU have never done any election work outside of posting on DU and watching a polling location.  I'm only commenting from my experience being involved in campaigns.

[NHSparky]

We got appeals to come to NJ the last two weeks to try to save Corzine.  Generally people from NJ and NY come to PA to help in PA elections since the elections in those states other than a few gerry mandered districts are generally over after a primary.  I expect the Mass democratic party is doing the same thing the NJ democratic party tried to do right before the Corzine election.

Bluehampshire.com is in fact calling for it.

Then again, they're still calling it "Ted Kennedy's seat."  Delusion knows no bounds.

[BadCat]

Maybe he doesn't think he needs to release his internal polls...

[Allentownjake]

Bluehampshire.com is in fact calling for it.

Then again, they're still calling it "Ted Kennedy's seat."  Delusion knows no bounds.

Teddy should have resigned when he no longer had the health to show up on capital hill on a regular basis.  I don't want a fight over "Uncle Ted" but it bothered me that when he knew he was going to die that he didn't resign.
There is a certain tone deafness going on in the party when they say things like that and your opponent is scoring points saying this isn't Ted Kennedy's seat, it is the people's seat.

[TheSarge]

Teddy should have resigned when he no longer had the health to show up on capital hill on a regular basis.  I don't want a fight over "Uncle Ted" but it bothered me that when he knew he was going to die that he didn't resign.
There is a certain tone deafness going on in the party when they say things like that and your opponent is scoring points saying this isn't Ted Kennedy's seat, it is the people's seat.

Should have but didn't.  Just like Tim Johnson should have done the same thing when he nearly died.

Unfortunately...like their brethren in the old Soviet Politburo...political power outweighs any other consideration.

And as we're seeing the potential replacements can't even win when the seat is practically handed to them.

[DefiantSix]

Teddy should have resigned when he no longer had the health to show up on capital hill on a regular basis.  I don't want a fight over "Uncle Ted" but it bothered me that when he knew he was going to die that he didn't resign.
There is a certain tone deafness going on in the party when they say things like that and your opponent is scoring points saying this isn't Ted Kennedy's seat, it is the people's seat.

Not to heap undue praise on 'Uncle Ted', but Coakley is demonstrating exactly what Teddy was afraid of when he refused to resign his seat.  After so many years of 'machine politics' in that state, most of the Democrat names don't have enough campaign experience to get themselves elected class president of a kindergarten.  The remember that Kennedy was a NASTY campaigner when he had to be, and think that being nasty is all there is to running, because they never paid attention to the more subtle things he was doing behind the scenes.  "D's" outnumber "R's" in Massachutsetts by how much? 2 to 1? 3 to 1?  And yet one "R" running an unnoteworthy campaign can make the fight for that seat a footrace - or worse?

[The Village Idiot]

The mechanics of a campaign are not partisan.  I'm pretty sure the GOP operates the exact way the DNC does in that regards.

Probably.

Hey AJ!

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Original message
Why isn't Brown releasing his internals?

Some people have that problem. I'd recommend a high fiber diet and extra fluids. Milk of magnesia if needed.

[AllosaursRus]

Incredible the Dems don't see the writing on the wall! Guess what, morans, we've had a damned 'nuff! You idiots are fixin' to see why we call this America, the land of the FREE! I would personally like to show you!!!

[ReaganForRushmore]

Red Sox Nation is pissed that Coakley said Sschilling was for the Yankees

[BlueStateSaint]

Red Sox Nation is pissed that Coakley said Sschilling was for the Yankees

As they should be.

[happy1ga]

Great analysis, ATJ! I have worked on campaigns, and it really is much different that what most people think. Thanks for all the hard work.

[Allentownjake]

Not to heap undue praise on 'Uncle Ted', but Coakley is demonstrating exactly what Teddy was afraid of when he refused to resign his seat.  After so many years of 'machine politics' in that state, most of the Democrat names don't have enough campaign experience to get themselves elected class president of a kindergarten.  The remember that Kennedy was a NASTY campaigner when he had to be, and think that being nasty is all there is to running, because they never paid attention to the more subtle things he was doing behind the scenes.  "D's" outnumber "R's" in Massachutsetts by how much? 2 to 1? 3 to 1?  And yet one "R" running an unnoteworthy campaign can make the fight for that seat a footrace - or worse?

You get that when you have a party machine in either the GOP or DNC.  Producing results becomes less about for the citizens of the community and more about people playing the party game.  Coakley is the perfect product of a party machine system.  I've lived in areas with both GOP and DNC party machines.  The results are virtually the same.

[Oceander]

Maybe he doesn't think he needs to release his internal polls...

Is this image en serio?

[TheSarge]

After reading a report on the Coakley rally that Obama attended it's pretty clear that Brown doesn't need to release his internals.

It's pretty easy to poll well against "It's Bush's fault".

[AllosaursRus]

After reading a report on the Coakley rally that Obama attended it's pretty clear that Brown doesn't need to release his internals.

It's pretty easy to poll well against "It's Bush's fault".

Amazing they think that will still work. Indies have heard enough of his "excuses". ESAD Bummer! What's happening now is solely on your shoulders!

[NHSparky]

"D's" outnumber "R's" in Massachutsetts by how much? 2 to 1? 3 to 1?  And yet one "R" running an unnoteworthy campaign can make the fight for that seat a footrace - or worse?

Last I heard, voter registration breakdown in Mass was 51 percent independent, 37 percent Democrat, 12 percent Republican.

[NHSparky]

After reading a report on the Coakley rally that Obama attended it's pretty clear that Brown doesn't need to release his internals.

It's pretty easy to poll well against "It's Bush's fault".

Oh, it still plays pretty well east of I-93 and south of Route 128.

[The Village Idiot]

Last I heard, voter registration breakdown in Mass was 51 percent independent, 37 percent Democrat, 12 percent Republican.

When the Dem is a 100% terrible, horrible, moronic candidate with two left feet in her mouth and people really do not like the biggest issue of the day on her side, Obamacare...

thats about the only way a Dem loses this race

[Oceander]

When the Dem is a 100% terrible, horrible, moronic candidate with two left feet in her mouth and people really do not like the biggest issue of the day on her side, Obamacare...

thats about the only way a Dem loses this race

Which is why the "fix" is most likely in at the Mass. Secretary of State - as soon as the polls close on Tuesday, the Sec'y of State will certify Coakley as the "winner" - regardless of how many Mass. voters actually voted for Brown, and Reid will swear her in and formally seat her before sun-up on Wednesday, and hey *presto* we get a fait accompli that, being an essentially "political" question will be almost impossible to undo in the courts.

[The Village Idiot]

Which is why the "fix" is most likely in at the Mass. Secretary of State - as soon as the polls close on Tuesday, the Sec'y of State will certify Coakley as the "winner" - regardless of how many Mass. voters actually voted for Brown, and Reid will swear her in and formally seat her before sun-up on Wednesday, and hey *presto* we get a fait accompli that, being an essentially "political" question will be almost impossible to undo in the courts.

Not that the courts would care, they've been mostly bought and paid for too.