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Offline Amityschild

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Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« on: November 20, 2009, 02:23:08 PM »
Hackers broke into the servers at a prominent British climate research center and leaked years worth of e-mail messages onto the Web, including one with a mysterious reference to a plan to "hide the decline," apparently in temperatures.

Climate change skeptics describe the leaked data as a "smoking gun," evidence of collusion among climatologists and manipulation of data to support the widely held view that climate change is caused by the actions of mankind. The files were reportedly released on a Russian file-serve by an anonymous poster calling himself "FOIA."

Others suggest the comments are simply "scientists talking about science." In an interview with Wired, Kevin Trenberth, head of the Climate Analysis Section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, points out that "if you read all of these e-mails, you will be surprised at the integrity of these scientists."
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Still, one notable e-mail from the hacked files clearly describes how to squeeze dissenting scientists from the peer review process:

"I think we have to stop considering Climate Research as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board…What do others think?"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576009,00.html


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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2009, 02:33:55 PM »
Here is the contents:

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I’ve redacted email addresses and direct phone numbers for the moment. The emails all have US public universities in the email addresses, making them public/FOIA actionable I beleive.


From: Phil Jones
To: mann@vxxxxx.xxx
Subject: Fwd: John L. Daly dead
Date: Thu Jan 29 14:17:01 2004



From: Timo H‰meranta
To:
Subject: John L. Daly dead
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:04:28 +0200
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510
Importance: Normal

Mike,
In an odd way this is cheering news ! One other thing about the CC paper – just found
another email – is that McKittrick says it is standard practice in Econometrics journals
to give all the data and codes !! According to legal advice IPR overrides this.

Cheers
Phil

“It is with deep sadness that the Daly Family have to announce the sudden death of John
Daly.Condolences may be sent to John’s email account (daly@john-daly.com)
“
Reported with great sadness

Timo H‰meranta
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xx

Timo H‰meranta, LL.M.
Moderator, Climatesceptics
Martinlaaksontie 42 B 9
01620 Vantaa
Finland, Member State of the European Union

Moderator: timohame@yxxxxx.xxx
Private: timo.hameranta@xxxxx.xx

Home page: [1]personal.inet.fi/koti/hameranta/climate.htm

Moderator of the discussion group “Sceptical Climate Science”
[2]groups.yahoo.com/group/climatesceptics

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shows only a lack of imagination”. (Kari Enqvist)

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What do you do, Sir” (John Maynard Keynes)

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxx

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0)xxxxxx
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) xxxxxx
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jones@xxx.xx.xx
NR4 7TJ
UK
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References

1. http://personal.inet.fi/koti/hameranta/climate.htm
2. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/climatesceptics

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-has-apparently-been-hacked-hundreds-of-files-released/#more-12937
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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2009, 12:02:36 PM »
As I wrote over and over, the emperical evidence that any of us can check, has said the Gorean Warmists were wrong. Now we find that not only are they wrong, but they have engaged in destroying the evidence that they ARE wrong.

This remains essentially unreported by the MSM......what a shock.
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2009, 12:12:09 PM »
Damning. And of course it will never see the light of day beyond Fox News.
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2009, 12:33:10 PM »
An Inconvenient Truth has been exposed.
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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2009, 12:40:22 PM »
Quote from: DixieBelle on November 24, 2009, 12:12:09 PM
Damning. And of course it will never see the light of day beyond Fox News.

Actually, it is starting to get press all over the world.....and the scientific community is going nuts with this......

There are 63 Mb of data released, much of which is coded charts and measurements.....it will require some time for the legitimate scientists to review it all, and the scope of the scam.......

I think it is safe to say that this just killed Copenhagen, as well as "Cap & Trade".  At least until all the data has been reviewed, and conclusions reached.

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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2009, 01:16:38 PM »
^thank God. Bring on the analysts.
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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2009, 01:53:31 PM »
I don't believe this will even slow the Gore Bores down.  Truth has never stood in their way, nor has evidence of fraud. 
What may happen is this one bunch will close down and regroup under a new alias, and get double funding next year.  It is what Acorn does
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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2009, 01:58:38 PM »
Quote from: Baruch Menachem on November 24, 2009, 01:53:31 PM
I don't believe this will even slow the Gore Bores down.  Truth has never stood in their way, nor has evidence of fraud. 
What may happen is this one bunch will close down and regroup under a new alias, and get double funding next year.  It is what Acorn does

Well.....Gore isn't a scientist, and that community is pissed as hell about this, if it is true.......scientists reputation, and the peer review process has possibly been violated, and those are the standards on which the scientific community bases its integrity.....

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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2009, 03:32:38 PM »
Did Gore come out and say he had no idea.....ala Obama, "I had no idea the preacher I thought of as a father figure said those mean things about the US of A"??
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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2009, 05:37:47 PM »
We all knew the whole thing was BS! Only liberals were going after this hook, line, and sinker. Hell, it's their religion for Christ's sake!

Figuring when the temp was a heck of a lot warmer, Dinos grew to proportions in tons, not pounds! How the hell could a warmer climate be "bad" for the planet?

How about we start auditting how much of our taxpayer money has gone to this hoax?
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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2009, 05:50:43 PM »
Quote from: TVDOC on November 24, 2009, 12:40:22 PM
Actually, it is starting to get press all over the world.....and the scientific community is going nuts with this......

There are 63 Mb of data released, much of which is coded charts and measurements.....it will require some time for the legitimate scientists to review it all, and the scope of the scam.......

I think it is safe to say that this just killed Copenhagen, as well as "Cap & Trade".  At least until all the data has been reviewed, and conclusions reached.

doc

Copenhagen maybe, cap & trade no way. That little baby will keep popping up until they get it passed - they want that money, really, really bad.
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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2009, 05:53:45 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on November 24, 2009, 12:33:10 PM
An Inconvenient Truth has been exposed.
"An Inconvenient Truth" indeed...just not the kind the wackos wanted to hear.
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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2009, 02:39:56 AM »
Quote from: Happy Fun Ball on November 24, 2009, 05:53:45 PM
"An Inconvenient Truth" indeed...just not the kind the wackos wanted to hear.

Yep, a lot of people with egg on their face. :-)
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2009, 03:18:39 AM »
Maybe we should start a legal defense fund for the hacker.......AND hopefully he'll hack into Obama's sealed records before he's caught.
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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2009, 06:13:41 AM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on November 25, 2009, 03:18:39 AM
Maybe we should start a legal defense fund for the hacker.......AND hopefully he'll hack into Obama's sealed records before he's caught.

Those records have been scrubbed from the innerwebz, and the only hard copies of them are kept in a sealed mayonnaise jar on Funk and Wagnall's porch.
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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2009, 08:57:22 AM »
Barry's going ahead with Cap and Crap as if nothing has happened. It's all about the power, isn't it?
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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2009, 09:03:35 AM »
They've brushed aside every previous objection to Anthropogenic Global Warming, I'm sure they'll find away to make this information a non-issue as well  ::)

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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2009, 09:07:43 AM »
Don't they always?
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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2009, 09:10:21 AM »
Quote from: Celtic Rose on November 25, 2009, 09:03:35 AM
They've brushed aside every previous objection to Anthropogenic Global Warming, I'm sure they'll find away to make this information a non-issue as well  ::)

That's "Anthropogenic Global Climate Change," young lady, the Gorebots have to have cover in case it actually gets colder, after all!

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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2009, 05:54:23 PM »
Hell's bells, I knew global warming was BS from the get go.

I am not a scientist, but I do know how to employ a little common sense.
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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2009, 10:30:34 AM »
It looks like the same BS has been going on in New Zealand, also.  Faked data
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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2009, 11:08:32 AM »
Even the Canada Free Press and the Brits are covering this story. But DingleBarry's Lame Stream Media is still ominously silent. In fact, I haven't seen or heard it once mentioned on CNN et al or their websites. How typical. Thank God for FOX. I pray this story continues to grow and eventually the LSM will be forced to say something.

It's pretty damn scary when you have to go to news organizations outside of the U.S. to get the real news.


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Re: Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2009, 01:03:24 PM »
Check in BING and NYT-Climate Hoax. Plenty of hits, all saying that the "denial" is a hoax, NOTHING showed up for the East Anglia e-mails. That's just journaliastic mal practice at its' worst.
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2009, 08:53:46 AM »
Well, isn't this conveeeeeeeenient?

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SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.

The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation.

The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.

The admission follows the leaking of a thousand private emails sent and received by Professor Phil Jones, the CRU’s director. In them he discusses thwarting climate sceptics seeking access to such data.

In a statement on its website, the CRU said: “We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.”
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