DUmmie lets daughters go skinny dipping, watches?

[Vagabond]

Uhm, sure.....

Mind_your_head  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-02-09 12:52 AM
Original message
If you want to be a "good parent", you've got to teach your kids to be *very wary* 
 of the....

I'm not a 'good parent'.....I let my girls go skinny dipping and they thought it was totally refreshing and want to "do it again"! 

I got to say, I'm certainly not against it, but my parents certainly never knew about it.  I didn't bother to ask permission.  I don't think I would respond positively to my kids wanting to go skinny dipping, it falls into the category of things a parent probably doesn't need to know.  It's kind of perverted for a parent to apparent;y have watched.

Mind_your_head  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-02-09 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. Me too......
 but *fun is fun*. NO cameras. Nothing *kinky*. Just "feeling free...." Nothing wrong with THAT, at all.

For the most part no, that he was apparently there while they were doing that is kinda creepy.  I still wonder why he needed to give them permission though.

proteus_lives (950 posts)      Thu Jul-02-09 01:06 AM
Response to Original message
4. Creepy post.
 Anyway will the rise of cell-cameras, skinny-dipping a bad idea.

I'm pretty sure my girlfriends' parents would have been dead set against the idea before cell phones with cameras.

Greyhound  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-02-09 01:10 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. Apparently, the terrorists did win. n/t 

Yep, and a bunch of bawing cowards voted Zero in, oh wait wrong thread for that...

proteus_lives (950 posts)      Thu Jul-02-09 01:19 AM
Response to Reply #6
9. Ok........
 You approve of this poster perving out on his naked daughters.

Fear? Common sense is more like it.

Yep, and that is the creepy part.

WillyT  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-02-09 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. Project Much ???
 

Maybe you're more comfortable with this...
picture of women in burkhas
 

Duke Newcombe (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-02-09 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. I see what you did there...
 I think that's that "hyperbole" thing I hear is all the rage... 

 

WillyT  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-02-09 01:41 AM
Response to Reply #11
13. Yeah...
 And accusing somebody of "perving out" their daughters on the internet is... what???

Well, he did encourage the notion of his daughters skinny dipping in his presence.

Greyhound  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-02-09 01:08 AM
Response to Original message
5. "Be afraid, be very afraid, they're everywhere just waiting for you to let your
 guard down". **** that and **** them, good for you.

Yep.  The same argument a teenage boy might employ.

WillyT  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-02-09 01:13 AM
Response to Original message
7. Skinny Dipping Is All Well And Good...
 as long as they're not naked.



We truly do live in a ****ed up world.

Good for you!!!

Yes, because parents often give permission for their daughters to go skinny dipping.

Liberal_in_LA  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-02-09 02:04 AM
Response to Reply #8
18. You may disagree with the 'skinny dipping' but OP didn't say he/she was pimping daughters.

Nope, that was the gay liberal professor at Duke University.

CoffeeCat  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-02-09 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #18
20. I just said it was "yucky"...
 ...it was a weird post and a strange way to be discussing your daughters.

I can't imagine my husband posting something like that.

It was creepy in my opinion. 

Yep.  Skinny Dipping is okay.  Giving your daughter permission and apparently watching them, not so much.

elleng  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-02-09 01:34 AM
Response to Original message
12. Skinny Dipping is GREAT!
 Edited on Thu Jul-02-09 01:36 AM by elleng
I hope my girls have done it!

Are we in the Lounge? 

Well, at least you didn't watch them.

WillyT  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-02-09 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. I Was Told Point Blank By Some Younger Friends (mid 20's) That...
 their generation doesn't do skinny-dipping, or nude beaches.

What a ****in shame.

No, they are just not going to tell some perverted old geezer what they do.  They're probably closet conservatives.

Maru Kitteh  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-02-09 02:35 AM
Response to Original message
22. "I'm not a 'good parent'"
 Edited on Thu Jul-02-09 02:36 AM by Maru Kitteh
Well, that's the first step, isn't it.

 

[crockspot]

Are these daughters hot? 

[The Village Idiot]

These are the same kind of people who send their barely teenaged kids to nude camps where parents are not allowed, only the counselors and other kids. OK, do you think I would even consider something like that? What kind of freak would? Imagine sending your 13 year old daughter to a camp where 17 year old boys are, all in the nude.

All over California and some other states I hear.

[Vagabond]

These are the same kind of people who send their barely teenaged kids to nude camps where parents are not allowed, only the counselors and other kids. OK, do you think I would even consider something like that? What kind of freak would? Imagine sending your 13 year old daughter to a camp where 17 year old boys are, all in the nude.

All over California and some other states I hear.

You wouldn't and I wouldn't but then we're probably more or less normal parents.  These types get silly (or occassionally worse) notions in their head and run with them, regardless of the damage they may end up causing.

[TheSarge]

Yes, because parents often give permission for their daughters to go skinny dipping.

As a father of three daughters that is something you will NEVER see me doing.

[Flame]

OK...don't kill me here, but I guess to me it depends on the age of the daughters?  If they were like, under 5 or something, and wanted to swim in their own pool neekid, I could see allowing that.   I know my brother's boys were nekkid in their pool all the time when they were little.

Did he ever say how old the kids were?

[Vagabond]

OK...don't kill me here, but I guess to me it depends on the age of the daughters?  If they were like, under 5 or something, and wanted to swim in their own pool neekid, I could see allowing that.   I know my brother's boys were nekkid in their pool all the time when they were little.

Did he ever say how old the kids were?

No, but old enough to say how "free" it felt to go skinny dipping.

[Flame]

No, but old enough to say how "free" it felt to go skinny dipping.

but *fun is fun*. NO cameras. Nothing *kinky*. Just "feeling free...." Nothing wrong with THAT, at all.

well, he didn't actually say that the KIDS said that....

[whiffleball]

I recall my SIL saying how thrilled she was that her 3 daughters went around the house naked when they were getting close to puberty; how wonderful it was that they felt so 'free' with their bodies.  I felt sure those chickens would come home to roost one day.

Last year one of those daughters (now 19) brought a 'friend' home without mentioning it.  Her father got up in the morning to see a pair of size 12 sandals outside the daughter's room.  Instead of going into the room and doing what a father who is a man should have done, he said nothing. 

He later told us how anxiety filled it was for him.  He was worried that his daugther would think him a prude if he said anything.  Didn't matter that his daughter and her 'friend' treated him, her mother and her parents home with horrible disrespect.

I'm happy to be a prude, I suppose, since there would have been a major, major disruption had this happened in my home.

[Lanie]

That is totally wrong. Unless the daughters are grown, it's really disgusting. I'd never do that much less talk about it on the net.

So, it's a problem because of cell phones? Oh my gosh.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I'm of two minds about it really; I personally would avoid watching as my daughter swam like a fish from an early age, but if we were talking grade-school-age kids or weak swimmers generally, prudence would dictate not being so body-shy as to end up endangering their lives out of misplaced modesty.

[Freeper]

These are the same kind of people who send their barely teenaged kids to nude camps where parents are not allowed, only the counselors and other kids. OK, do you think I would even consider something like that? What kind of freak would? Imagine sending your 13 year old daughter to a camp where 17 year old boys are, all in the nude.

All over California and some other states I hear.

Are you series these things actually exist?
I just cant fathom something like that being legal.

[The Village Idiot]

It was a big 'scandal' when Texas banned them, or tried to

[Airwolf]

Well isn't that specialllllllll.

[GOBUCKS]

These are the same kind of people who send their barely teenaged kids to nude camps where parents are not allowed, only the counselors and other kids. OK, do you think I would even consider something like that? What kind of freak would? Imagine sending your 13 year old daughter to a camp where 17 year old boys are, all in the nude.

All over California and some other states I hear.

Those camps have been around for decades, probably centuries. As a 17 year-old boy, I would go to one about three or four times a week.
In a recurring dream.

[JohnnyReb]

I went skinny dipping a lot as a kid, age maybe 12 to 16. Us boys would ride horses most of the day but before coming in in the summer we'd pull the saddles off, get nekkid and swim the horses. But then there were no perverted adluts around. Boy would we have liked to talked some girls into riding with us but unfortunately back then girls had some sense.......  

[Eupher]

I'm of two minds about it really; I personally would avoid watching as my daughter swam like a fish from an early age, but if we were talking grade-school-age kids or weak swimmers generally, prudence would dictate not being so body-shy as to end up endangering their lives out of misplaced modesty.

What we're talking about is a cultural issue.

Spend some time in Europe, go to the beach, and watch as whole families disrobe as if it's the most natural thing in the world.

That culture is simply not as hung up on nudity as this culture is.

It doesn't make either culture wrong - it simply is. In this country, to watch your kid skinny dip isn't entirely normal. In Europe,   

[VivisMom]

I recall my SIL saying how thrilled she was that her 3 daughters went around the house naked when they were getting close to puberty; how wonderful it was that they felt so 'free' with their bodies.  I felt sure those chickens would come home to roost one day.

Last year one of those daughters (now 19) brought a 'friend' home without mentioning it.  Her father got up in the morning to see a pair of size 12 sandals outside the daughter's room.  Instead of going into the room and doing what a father who is a man should have done, he said nothing. 

He later told us how anxiety filled it was for him.  He was worried that his daugther would think him a prude if he said anything.  Didn't matter that his daughter and her 'friend' treated him, her mother and her parents home with horrible disrespect.

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!

You know, at a certain age nudity can be expected from a child...I know I myself liked to run around in the altogether until I was about four. My daughter (age two) also likes running around naked. But once a kid hits school-age, it's just creepy.

Also, if my kid did that...that young man would have found himself face to face with a firearm, and the girl headed straight for a convent.

[delilahmused]

What we're talking about is a cultural issue.

Spend some time in Europe, go to the beach, and watch as whole families disrobe as if it's the most natural thing in the world.

That culture is simply not as hung up on nudity as this culture is.

It doesn't make either culture wrong - it simply is. In this country, to watch your kid skinny dip isn't entirely normal. In Europe,   

Well, then I'm glad I live in this country! I'm just not progressive and elitist enough to disrobe in front of my teenage/young adult boys. I stopped showering with my son when he looked at me and said, "Mommy, you don't have a pee pee!" I wouldn't want my children to grow up with that kind of moral relativity. There's something very disgusting about grown men oogling nubile, naked 13 year olds. They (and you) may say it's "no big deal" but men will stare at a fully clothed woman, how could you not stare at a young, naked body?

I'm sure the argument is "they don't even notice anymore". Truly sad when something that should sacred becomes mundane. And we're supposed to want to emulate Europe in this country. But hey, at least it's a target rich environment for pedophiles and pederasts. Bet they love those vacations at the beach.

Cindie

[Eupher]

Well, then I'm glad I live in this country! I'm just not progressive and elitist enough to disrobe in front of my teenage/young adult boys. I stopped showering with my son when he looked at me and said, "Mommy, you don't have a pee pee!" I wouldn't want my children to grow up with that kind of moral relativity. There's something very disgusting about grown men oogling nubile, naked 13 year olds. They (and you) may say it's "no big deal" but men will stare at a fully clothed woman, how could you not stare at a young, naked body?

I'm sure the argument is "they don't even notice anymore". Truly sad when something that should sacred becomes mundane. And we're supposed to want to emulate Europe in this country. But hey, at least it's a target rich environment for pedophiles and pederasts. Bet they love those vacations at the beach.

Cindie

Since you're American, I'd expect that you wouldn't disrobe in front of your teenage boys. That's our culture. All I'm saying is that the culture is different elsewhere.

That "different" culture isn't wrong for Europe. It just is.

I'm not sure that the human body can be considered "sacred." While our own bodies are certainly something that we're fond of, being able to disassociate sex from nudity is perhaps what the fundamental difference is. I'm not convinced that a father is going to ogle his naked young daughter's body. Last I checked, pedophilia and incest are crimes in Europe (though there's enough "hate crimes" crap that seems to protect those criminals).

When you said your young son noticed that you didn't have a "pee-pee", did he make the statement from a sexual perspective? Probably not - he simply noticed you didn't have the same plumbing that he did.

Our reticence doesn't come from kids - it comes from us.

Again - we're talking cultural differences here. I would not blink an eye if an entire family were on the beach, nude, in Europe. It's simply a common practice, though by no means is it ubiquitous. Then again, I lived in Europe for almost 15 years. I accepted most of the cultural norms there.

[jtyangel]

Since you're American, I'd expect that you wouldn't disrobe in front of your teenage boys. That's our culture. All I'm saying is that the culture is different elsewhere.

That "different" culture isn't wrong for Europe. It just is.

I'm not sure that the human body can be considered "sacred." While our own bodies are certainly something that we're fond of, being able to disassociate sex from nudity is perhaps what the fundamental difference is. I'm not convinced that a father is going to ogle his naked young daughter's body. Last I checked, pedophilia and incest are crimes in Europe (though there's enough "hate crimes" crap that seems to protect those criminals).

When you said your young son noticed that you didn't have a "pee-pee", did he make the statement from a sexual perspective? Probably not - he simply noticed you didn't have the same plumbing that he did.

Our reticence doesn't come from kids - it comes from us.

Again - we're talking cultural differences here. I would not blink an eye if an entire family were on the beach, nude, in Europe. It's simply a common practice, though by no means is it ubiquitous. Then again, I lived in Europe for almost 15 years. I accepted most of the cultural norms there.

  I grew up with a mother who was European and align myself with your thoughts on this.

[The Village Idiot]

we also don't have hard core porn on channel 7 all day and night. I am sure we just couldn't disaasociate it with sex

[franksolich]

This reminds me of when I got into trouble, when in the first grade.

Seven years of age.

There were plenty of medical textbooks in the house where I spent my childhood, and one day I got this idea of making some money off of them.  I couldn't sell them, of course, but I could rent them.

I took three of them to school one day; a very large book with transparent plates of the layer of the human eye, a textbook illustrating contagious diseases, and a textbook on obstetrics, also filled with photographs.

At first, I charged everybody a dime to look inside one of the books, any one of the three.  But then I noticed something peculiar, and adjusted my rates accordingly.

I still charged a dime to look at the book of the layers of the human eye, but charged two dimes to look at the book of contagious diseases--the photographs of victims of leprosy were the big draw in that one--and five cents to look at the book with the photographs of naked women.

The teacher caught on in mid-afternoon--the market had been open since the start of the day--and confiscated the books, giving them back to my parents after a conference among them.  I never did learn what they talked about.

[Eupher]

This reminds me of when I got into trouble, when in the first grade.

Seven years of age.

There were plenty of medical textbooks in the house where I spent my childhood, and one day I got this idea of making some money off of them.  I couldn't sell them, of course, but I could rent them.

I took three of them to school one day; a very large book with transparent plates of the layer of the human eye, a textbook illustrating contagious diseases, and a textbook on obstetrics, also filled with photographs.

At first, I charged everybody a dime to look inside one of the books, any one of the three.  But then I noticed something peculiar, and adjusted my rates accordingly.

I still charged a dime to look at the book of the layers of the human eye, but charged two dimes to look at the book of contagious diseases--the photographs of victims of leprosy were the big draw in that one--and five cents to look at the book with the photographs of naked women.

The teacher caught on in mid-afternoon--the market had been open since the start of the day--and confiscated the books, giving them back to my parents after a conference among them.  I never did learn what they talked about.

  

Now, that's the entrepreneurial spirit!   

[kenth]

Ick.

Make a guy say ick, and it's very... ick.