Sandy Sam tells a liesam sarrha (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-01-09 08:36 PM
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my 19 yr old grand Niece's Fetus died at 6 months in the South.no doctor would touch her. she went
nearly 5 weeks with the dead fetus in her womb. a poverty stricken, frightened, uneducated girl cried for over a month because the ****'n GOP can't run a god damned election on rational truth, they have to create an emotional firestorm over a mole hill. her grand father finally drove her north to a hospital where she was immediately whisked away to emergency surgery, the fetus had calcified into a stony mummy.
she was physically harmed by the event and can not have children now, she also was tragically and severely emotionally damaged. funny how one doctor after another had to go on vacation in the bible belt. none had the decency to just say go somewhere else.
This ain't even a bouncy. It is in fact male bovine excrement of the highest order. Removing a deceased fetus is not, nor has it ever been, at all controversial. This procedure is certainly done in the South and certainly performed by doctors who oppose elective abortions.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-01-09 08:39 PM
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1. Every anti-choice believer
should know about this and about what has happened to a young girl.
Oh, who am I kidding?
They don't care. Maybe that's the worst thing about them.
They really don't care.....................
Then again, they might not care because it didn't happen.
Hepburn (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-01-09 08:42 PM
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5. Oh, they care alright...
...but they care that they can keep a woman pregnant and under control and let a pregnancy like that continue because after all a pregnancy is a punishment for having sex.
Gawd...what the hell have we allowed to come into being in this nation? Those who would allow a young woman to exist in this tragic medical condition so they can tout their right to life stance????
**** them...
What pregnancy? If the child is deceased, no one, not a one opposes the procedure that must be used to remove deceased fetus. Then again since the OP story is an out and out lie.
hedgehog (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-01-09 08:41 PM
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3. That doesn't make any sense at all. Is it even medically termed an abortion if
Edited on Mon Jun-01-09 08:42 PM by hedgehog
the fetus is dead of natural causes? I wonder if this had more to do with money than anything else.
On edit : I can see the possibility of waiting a day or so, maybe up to a week to see if labor would start spontaneously, but this is malpractice!
Be careful Icarus, you are flying to close to the light of the truth here.
colinmom71 (511 posts) Tue Jun-02-09 01:28 AM
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36. Technically, yes it is still an abortion...
While the fetus has died, the pregnancy is still active and an abortion is purposely ending a pregnancy with the expected result being a dead fetus. Now, in cases of a fetal demise, insurance companies consider it a medically justified procedure since the pregnant woman is at risk for sepsis should the demised fetus turn necrotic. In fact, I'm lucky to have one of the few insurance coverages that covers abortion under any circumstance, even an elective first trimester procedure.
Most doctors would likely offer to induce labor within a few days of the fetal demise diagnosis to prevent the risk of infection. And yes, the few days wait is to see if the woman goes into labor herself. Plus an early induction offers the patient a chance to deliver her baby and have an intact body for burial and remembrance purposes. But in some cases, a surgical abortion may be necessary, usually for the same reasons a doctor may recommend an ID&X for a termination - health issues on the part of the pregnant woman.
It is not an elective abortion, in other words.
michreject (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-01-09 08:59 PM
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15. Does it matter
It looks to me like a bouncy to slam the South.
Except it was a plop instead.
MagickMuffin (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-01-09 08:44 PM
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6. How tragic that this young woman had to deal with this for 5 weeks
I can't begin to think of what an emotional ordeal this had to be. It boggles the mind that NO doctor would do anything about this.
Did they expect her to carry a dead fetus to term, even though it WAS dead?.?.?
Did they NOT think of the consequences of the life of the mother?.?.?
These people are twisted in their logic.
Sorry your niece had to endure this kind of trauma.
Twisted in logic is saying that it is impossible to know when life begins.
Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-01-09 09:10 PM
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18. Very only few doctors left who are trained in D&Es
That is why Tiller was so valuable. Hospitals rarely teach the procedure anymore and nearly every other doctor (now mostly old men) who know how, no longer will do them because of death threats. Because, quite clearly, doctors who perform D&Es are murdered.
Doctors treating this as an elective procedure on live human fetuses are monsters, dress it however you will DUmmie. Performing the procedure on a deceased fetus is another matter altogether.
ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-01-09 08:53 PM
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10. "god's will" no doubt.
blech.
That poor girl. Suffering because adults around her were afflicted by the religious disease.
If she was 19 she was a legal adult. If being that she existed anywhere but the imagination of the OP.
HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-01-09 08:54 PM
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12. They want nothing to do with dead fetuses (or embroys)
even ones resulting from natural causes. That is the mindset. It is too close for comfort for them to an abortion.
I experienced this with my 5 week ruptured ectopic pregnancy in a "christian" hospital in NYC. I am sure my doctor wrote his diagosis on my chart. They didn't want to hear it. I was told, "We don't do abortions here." "We will give you something to stop the bleeding." A pill is going to make a ruptured fallopian tube stop bleeding and heal?
You have to understand this to understand THEM.
Again with the male bovine excrement. Abortions for ectopic pregnancies have never been illegal, as they are a clear threat to the life of the mother, and yes Christian hospitals will perform them. We may someday have the technology to safely move the fetus, what will you say then DUmmie?
TheMickster (54 posts) Mon Jun-01-09 09:40 PM
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26. I am so sorry for the pain
your grand niece went through.
I live in South Carolina and went through a similar situation about 9 years ago. I was sent to MUSC in Charleston. The people there were so wonderful to me and my family.
Me and my husband were given the option of surgery or induction. I chose induction at 24 weeks.
Our daughter, Cassandra, was still born on mothers day in 2000. The nurses dressed her in a little outfit, we held her, they took pictures and put her footprints in a keepsake book for us. Afterwards we were given followup counciling.
I could not imagine waiting around for almost three months wondering if this was going to be the day my dead daughter was going to be born.
You have my condolences on your loss.
Generic Other (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-01-09 11:34 PM
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29. I know someone whose daughter had this happen
She was a Navy pilot's wife. He was in flight school in Florida. The military hospital refused to treat her. The funding for abortions performed at military hospitals had been cut by Congress at the time. Her mother had to go take her to a private hospital. To remove a dead fetus!!
These anti-choicers need to educate themselves.
She had Sacred Heart and University Hospitals nearby. They are both better equipped than the Navy Hospital on Pensacola NAS to perform the removal a deceased fetus and she could have gotten a recommendation to got to either one from her physician. I grew up there, idiots.
Withywindle (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-02-09 12:32 AM
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32. My condolences.
That's terrible. Your poor niece. That should never happen in an "advanced" country.
What people who bloviate about "partial-birth abortion" don't get is that most women who get late-term abortions WANTED the baby. That's why they waited! They were devastated to be told that the fetus was dead, or too deformed to survive long, or would kill her.
No woman should have to endure what your grand-niece did. Not in a civilized country. Not in the 21st century.
There are women who will die specifically because Dr. Tiller is gone. His murderer killed them too.
Except other physicians who have actual consciences can and will perform the procedure.
jgraz (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-02-09 01:19 AM
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35. Stories like this have no effect on religious psychopaths
You know the response: that's what she gets for having sex outside of marriage (sorry, "marraige"). These lunatics revel in your niece's pain.
Show me where, you hateful cretin. Also, I see no claim that she was unmarried.
grace0418 (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-02-09 12:51 AM
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33. It's amazing she didn't get an infection and become gravely ill. My best friend just
found out the fetus she was carrying suddenly stopped having a heartbeat. They knew the fetus was alive a week prior because she'd had an ultrasound. Right away the doctor said she could have the dead tissue removed or wait until it happened on its own, but they advised against waiting more than five days because then she ran the risk of infection. Your poor grandniece had to wait 5 WEEKS?! How awful, no awful doesn't even begin to describe it. I'm so sorry.
Wow, just like the information provided on this thread. What are the odds?
DUmmies, the shallow end of the gene pool.
