Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 01:43 PM
Original message
Why do some men care so much about abortion?
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 01:43 PM by Beaverhausen
Anyone hear that lunatic on Thom Hartman's show just now?
Honestly, why is it men are so up in arms about abortion? Especially men who don't give two shits about these children once they are born.
Maybe because these people know sacrifice of the defenseless on the altar of convenience when they see it?
alsame (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 01:44 PM
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1. It's about controlling women. n/t
With rare exception, no one forced the woman to get pregnant.
Caliman73 (598 posts) Thu Apr-23-09 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #1
26. Pretty much
If women have reproductive choice, then they are freer to be independent. If the men are religious at all, and that is the basis of their objection, I am sure that they truly believe that god is a man too.
Women could choose not to engage in activity that leads to pregnancy....choice and all ya know.
DCKit (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 02:03 PM
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27. Score.
It's actually pretty sad - insecure, sexually repressed and/or twisted freaks needing to control someone else. They's mental.
How did they force someone to become pregnant? What control did they use?
ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 02:44 PM
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41. Yes, it's all about keeping women subservient. n/t
Women have never been subservient to men in American society. If anything men used to hold women in a higher place. Of course feminazis don't see the importance of maintaining a home and raising a family.
dem629 (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 02:47 PM
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43. Why would all these women want to control women?
http://www.sehlat.com/lifelink/ffl/plgroups.html
How dare you infect a man-hatred thread!
eShirl (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-24-09 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #43
77. a control freak is a control freak. n/t
So everyone who doesn't agree with you should just shut up? My, how..........Democratic of you.
SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-24-09 08:06 AM
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78. Incorrect
For SOME men it's about this, certainly, but not all. If anything a bigger reason is because they LACK control over the situation. It's perhaps a subtle difference, but it's a difference.
So all us evil men are in control accept on the days we're not, gotchya.
Warpy (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 01:45 PM
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2. They hate women
and think any woman who allows a man to do that to her should be punished.
You're right, they don't give a shit about children. They care about pregnancy as punishment.
Parents are supposed to care about children. You know the kids genetic mom and dad.
Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 01:46 PM
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4. It's like women supporting the military draft. They just don't have the creds to do so. nt
Women can't be pro-national defense?
MADem (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. They can only have the cred if they advocate a truly universal draft,
with no outs for gender.
Yes, that's just what we want. Our women going out and getting blown to bits by our adversaries men. I wonder which culture lasts longer in that scenario.
ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. that is the only true fair way to do it. isn't it discrimination to force men to sign up for the
draft, but not women?? totally not fair.
Ah, yes. Those relics of the government that still realize that men and women are different.
MADem (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 01:46 PM
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5. They harbor a secret fear that if their mamas had possessed an idea what vicious little
misogynistic shits they'd turn out to be, that mama would have "scheduled the procedure" on them.
Of course, as you noted, it's only "some" men who are like this--the stupid ones.
If you don't have the gear, it ain't your business, that's my view.
The pro-life position is based on hatred of women?
ohheckyeah (282 posts) Thu Apr-23-09 01:50 PM
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10. How dare a woman
get rid of the proof of a man's virility. That's my take.
Yes, because in a lot of these cases, the guy looks forward to paying childcare the rest of his life.
MajorChode (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 01:51 PM
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11. I don't think you HAVE to be a woman in order to have a relevant opinion on abortion
But you are correct in that those who appear to feel most strongly about it are typically the same ones who actively work against the kids' best interests once they are outside the womb. Typically they are against strong public education, children's health care, and child poverty issues. There are some areas in the US that have infant mortality rates that rival 3rd world countries and I haven't seen any Repugs that gave two shits about it. It's just another reason why their opinions are irrelevant and should be marginalized.
Kids have parents who are supposed to take care of that stuff. It's not socieities responisibility.
ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 01:53 PM
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12. it has to do with control. see, the egg is always there. it takes the men to
inseminate a woman and make a baby. now, if a woman can then go and decide that she doesn't want a baby... what is a man to do. women can already go to a sperm bank and get sperm and be artificially inseminated without ever needing a man.... men do not like this. they do not like that women can decide for themselves. then women go off and get liberated and go to school and learn. and then they might not need men to take care of them at all!! women are such ingrates, aren't they. now, this is not all men by any means. there are plenty of guys out there that support a woman's right to decide. i think the biggest offended parties with regard to women's rights or choice are probably the religious nuts. but i could be wrong about that.
I've heard this argument before. Now we have a bunch of young fols out there bouncing around who have the same dad because their liberated mom went to a sperm bank. Think that my pose some genetic problems among other things somewhere down the line.
Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 01:53 PM
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14. Yes, I heard him and I don't know what their motives are. I don't have any
data to back this up, and I know there are people of both sexes who oppose abortion, but it seems to me that men are more emotional and quicker to condemn on this issue than women. If these same men would show as much passion about health care for children and abolishing child poverty, I might be able to take their concern for an embryo a little more seriously.
Responsibiility. Something the left has never claimed and will never have.
Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 02:03 PM
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29. abortion as a political issue, or as a personal issue?
If political, yeah, probably the control thing that's been stated here already. When it's a personal issue, though, I don't think we can just immediately come to that knee-jerk conclusion. In other words, a man who opposes his neighbor's stepsister's cousin's abortion is probably a religious nut or some other flavor of woman-hating pig. A man who opposes his pregnant partner's plans for abortion may have a more genuine interest in seeing his child born, and caring for it. Ideally he would have some say in the matter.
The only religion I can think of that hates women is Islam, and mentioning that on Skin's Island will get you tombstoned.
Withywindle (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 02:22 PM
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33. Major empathy FAIL.
Misogynistic men are constitutionally incapable of truly empathizing with a woman. The idea of briefly stepping into the shoes of an "inferior being" to think about the issue from a woman's point of view is deeply threatening to them; they can't do it and they get violently angry when you suggest that they should. They're so concerned about the fetus because there's a chance that fetus might be a baby MAN, which is of course more important than the woman.
A father can not empathize with a mother?
dem629 (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 02:42 PM
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38. Why does gender matter?
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 02:45 PM by dem629
I'm aware of no one who scoffs at men who are pro-choice, asking why their opinion matters.
So this is disingenuous.
Yet men should be quiet because they lack the equipment. You need to tell you fellow DUmpmonkeez their logic is flawed.
ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #38
44. Because it's the woman who carries the child and *the one* responsible for their care after birth.
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 02:48 PM by ShortnFiery
I heard a joke that may have ended irony when it was said, "If men were the ones who became pregnant, abortion clinics would be a prevelant as Home Depots."
Ain't that the truth!?!
A human life is a human life, lastI checked. Your argument is that I have no control over my behavior and that my morals are situational. You are mistaken on all counts.
ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 02:50 PM
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47. No, they should INDIVIDUALLY choose mates who are also pro-choice.
It's like "support groups" in that, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the only people who TRULY KNOW what it is like, have experienced it.
Pregnancy/ Loss / Cancer / Divorce
Hmmmmm...what happens when a pro-choice man mates with a pro-choice women besides a trip to the abortion clinic to avoid consequences?
IntravenousDemilo (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #45
62. We men possess the right to have opinions on abortion, as well as a right to air said views...
... once a woman such as the OP has asked us for them. Otherwise, I think we would do well to keep our opinions to ourselves.
Men should only speak when spoken to.....
NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 02:50 PM
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46. Because they're half of the human reproductive equation...
... and there are feelings associated with that.
No, doesn't mean that they should hold veto power over a woman's body. Also doesn't mean that we need to vilify them for their feelings and concerns -- I just don't see that as helpful.
No, by all means...It's the DUmp. Villify away.
ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. Too often "the other half" of the reproductive equation leaves only a genetic contribution
to the child's future.
There is a problem with that. Society used to tell men to keep their hands off the merchandise until they bought it with a wedding ring. It seemed to work fairly well.
NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #49
52. Oh, I know...
But even a good, responsible man should not hold veto power over the woman, because he does not share the risks of pregnancy.
So a good man stands to lose the woman he loves and their child, at worse, and he isn't sharing the risks? I wonder why you think so littile of men.
Union Yes (243 posts) Thu Apr-23-09 06:02 PM
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66. Antichoice women typically brainwashed by their church.
My mother and sister are shining examples. Lord, Ive tried to educate those 2.
Men- Its all about control.
If they cared about the living the way they "care" about the fetus. This country would be so far left that a marxist like me would probably cringe. OK I wouldn't cringe but you get the point...
Their view- Life begins at conception and ends at birth.
If they cared about the living, the single mom who has to raise a family and the ensueing hardships, the way they care about the fetus..
Their hypocrisy reeks like shit.
Heaven forbid a child should have parents and family to look after their needs. I'm sure this primitive upsets her mother. I'll bet her mother doesn't wish she had aborted her.
salguine (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 06:26 PM
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69. Because men are parents too. Just because we can't
carry a baby doesn't mean we're unable to have strong thoughts and feelings about children and about being parents.
Should men not care about, or have thoughts on, abortion? At all?
Have you followed this thread?
shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-23-09 10:31 PM
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74. To play devil's advocate here....
Isn't it possible that some men who don't like abortion simply want to see their child born? I'm talking a subjective situation. If a woman I loved and got pregnant wanted to have an abortion I wouldn't stand in the way of it, but I can't say It wouldn't bother me or I might not try to talk her out of it. Doesn't make me automatically hate all women or want to completely control the one with me.
Almost Lousy Freeper Troll worthy material.
Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-24-09 08:03 AM
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76. It's a male primate thing.
An obsessive interest in the reproductive condition of the females and the control thereof.
Not one mention that the fetus might have rights.
DUmmies worshipping Moloch again
