Doug's ex-wife proves cerebral degradation

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2856164

Oh my.  This is from last night (Tuesday night):

Webster Green  (1000+ posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 01:13 AM
Original message
 
Three arrested in Berkeley protests over Marines..

This is still going on right now at (10:00 PM PST) 4 people have now been arrested, according to the TeeVee news. The city council meeting is still going on. Almost the entire Berkeley Police Department is in the streets in front of city hall.

news article deleted as it's not pertinent to point of this thread

Predictably, it's a very large conflagration, this bonfire on Skins's island, and Doug's ex-wife is right there in the middle of it; I wish I could bring the whole bonfire over, but it's really a big one.

Raskolnik (1000+ posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #9
 
13. Are they protesting *all* military recruitment, or just military recruitment in areas full of rich white kids with a lot of time on their hands?

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #13

17. Go find Berkeley's demographics before you embarrass yourself again.

Raskolnik (1000+ posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #17

23. Go look at demographics of Code Pink and the protesters before you embarrass yourself again.

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #23

24. I belong to Code Pink and I lived in Berkeley for over a decade.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

The minority community in Berkeley is larger than the state average. They are not rich white kids with time on their hands.

And these kids are targeted by the scum buckets you are defending.

Raskolnik (1000+ posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #24

29. If you can only frame this argument in terms of "defending" military recruiters then I'm not sure you're being intellectually honest.

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #29
 
32. I hope you resolve your uncertainty.

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #7

12. Yes. We can't let average Americans talk because they may sound like lunatics!

We couldn't have that or the 30%ers might have a hissy fit!

Raskolnik (1000+ posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #12

16. Do you think their actions are reasonable, much less productive?

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #16

18. What is more reasonable than objecting to our kids being fed into a blender for Halliburton?

You betchur ass I do.

Raskolnik (1000+ posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #18

20. I don't know, how about aiming that protest at the people actually responsible rather than the people bearing the costs of W's idiocy?

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #20

22. Direct action is always more effective, that's why.

Are you defending the same recruiters that lie to our kids to get their signature?

Shame on you.

Raskolnik (1000+ posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #22
 
25. Yes, direct action taken against those actually responsible.

When Bush was trying to **** with Social Security, did you go down to the local social security office and scream at the people trying to do their jobs? (Jeebus I hope not)

Protesting military recruiters is intellectually lazy and amazingly counterproductive for those of us trying to point out to people that it is possible to be against a war without being against the people who have to go and get their asses shot in that war.

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #25

27. Code Pink is protesting the scum bucket recruiters, not working Marines.

Try again.

Raskolnik (1000+ posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #27
 
36. If you honestly think those kinds of tactics help in the long run, I urge you to get out of Berkeley for a spell and see what the rest of the country is like.

Tactics like this do nothing more than paint anti-war activists as foot-stomping children who can't separate the policy makers from those that bear the cost of the policy. It makes the real work for everyone else that much harder, and it only benefits your sense of self-righteousness.

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #36

39. LOL! Because results are so counter productive.

As you have nothing, you resort to a personal attack.

I don't live in Berkeley now.

I am widely traveled.

And I know what work looks like.

Raskolnik (1000+ posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #39

47. Of course some results *are* counterproductive in the long run.

Protests like this serve no purpose other than short-term gratification, they turn off more people than they convince, and make the real work harder to accomplish.

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #47

50. Short term, kids walking up to that office think twice.

And they get to live.

That is gratifying.

Raskolnik (1000+ posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #50
 
57. Short-term gratification with no concern for the bigger picture? 

What could go wrong?

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #57
 
59. Right. We could keep some kids alive. That couldn't be good long term.

Raskolnik (1000+ posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #59

76. Being wilfully obtuse to the point I'm making does not make your argument.

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #76

79. I think my argument has been made.

There is nothing obtuse about it.

In Berkeley, Code Pink said no to recruiting our kids for Bush's war for profit.

You don't like that? Fine. We're not going to stop any time soon.

dwickham (1000+ posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #27

41. the recruiters are working Marines and how about Code Pink's demonstration outside Walter Reed?

was that an appropriate place for a demonstration?

DadOf2LittleAngels (762 posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #27

46. Those 'scum bucket rectuiters' *are* working marines! many of whom have fought in battle some of whom recruit now because they were injured. I would bet those 'scum bucket recruiters' can better give the pluses and minuses of joining the military than members of a pacifist group..

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #46

52. First, you lose your bragging rights when you con CHILDREN.

Second, that "pacifist group" is chock full o' vets.

DadOf2LittleAngels (762 posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #52

64. First , you lose your moral high horse when you assume all people who join the military are conned children, my brother was very aware of the decision he made as was his wife. Both of whom have served this nation through war and peace...

Second, regarding 'chock full o' vets'... so were the nutballs on the other side of the street whats your point?

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #64

67. I never said all people who sign up are children.

I said these mofos prey on children. Which they do.

So, now vets are nutballs? Who is anti-military here?

Really, let's just stop. We won't ever agree.

DadOf2LittleAngels (762 posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #67

72. Ok well stop but not before I take the words you put into my mouth out and rinse thouroughly
 
1a) 18, 19, 20 not children... Old enough to vote...
1b) many people who are in their mid20's are recruited
2) Did I say 'vets' are nutballs or code pink? seems to me you saying my comment implied all vets are nutballs is as bad as neocons implying people who are anti war are anti vet..

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #72

74. You may be a dad of two angels but apparently you don't know that recruiters target kids.

You may want to rectify that and soon.

DadOf2LittleAngels (762 posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #74

81. yea yea whatever

I have allot of military experience in my family and when my girls are old enough if they wanted to join the military I would support them in that. If they were 17 right now I would do my damnedest to have them hold out until the current regime is out of power...

DadOf2LittleAngels (762 posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #12

45. Code Pink..

Was not talking, they were denying people access to a public building, thats *not* talking..

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #45

48. Big bad Code Pink was denying red blooded 'Murikans access to a public building.

Why aren't you in Iraq? If a bunch of middle aged women are so scary, I guess Iraq isn't the place you want to be.

Why isn't Doug's ex-wife fighting in the War on Poverty?

DadOf2LittleAngels (762 posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 05:27 PM
Original message
 
Im not in Iraq because:

1) no way on Gods earth I would pass a physical
2) Too old
3) oh yea... *Im against this war*

--

But I do have family over there so I would appreciate it if you would not make light of it. I also have family who severed between 1984-2003 whos lives were greatly enriched by service in the military.

To sum up:

Antiwar - Cool
AntiMilitary - Nutty

Cool?

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 05:28 PM
Response to Original message
 
62. Anti military = Reich wing talking point.

Got it?

DadOf2LittleAngels (762 posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #62
 
69. Lets get this straight

I just said opposing this war is not anti military..

Calling members of the military who have served 'scum bags' *is* anti military..

..

99.999% of people opposing this war are not anti military these few nutballs are giving those people a bad name and basically loading the gun the ReThugs will use in November..

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #69

73. Calliing scum bag recruiters that lie to kids to make their quota is calling a scum bag a scum bag.

That has nothing to do with our service people.

That has everything to do with scum bags.

The "anti-military" talking point gets no traction here. Not even a blink.

Pastiche423  (1000+ posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #7

28. I LOVE CODE PINK!

I am also a member.

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #28
 
33. My sistah!

People get really upset when we get effective, don't they?

Where is that pancake bunny?

DadOf2LittleAngels (762 posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #33

49. What you have effectively done

Is turned an anti war movement with broad appeal to an anti military movement with a much more narrow appeal...

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #49
 
55. That would be the wingnut talking point.

Thanks, Dad!

DadOf2LittleAngels (762 posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #55
 
66. Its only an effective talking point if its true

Thanks for giving them ammo...

What code pink *could* have done is just stand outside and hand out information about the Iraq conflict love and educate these kids. With all the Vietnam vets that are members they really could have connected about the Iraq debacle.

Instead they went too far (as usual)

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #66

71. No, talking points are only effective if they get repeated.

And Code Pink also does exactly what you suggest with literature and education.

My oh my. We sure don't like people acting up. They might make us look silly! They might cause a fuss. Better to let the killing go on. The slaughter is much more respectable.

DadOf2LittleAngels (762 posts)      Wed Feb-13-08 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #71

78. "And Code Pink also does exactly what you suggest with literature and education."

And for that I can respect them, really I can...

"My oh my. We sure don't like people acting up."

Do you like it when folks block abortion clinics?

"They might make us look silly!"

Silly I can handle, pie in the face stuff is great but when you paint all recruiters as enemies of the people you are beyond silly youre damn right hysterical (not not the amusing kind)

"Better to let the killing go on."

Ummm lets, for the moment, assume this tantrum works and the Berkley recruiting station shuts down do you really think thats going to stop the killing? All an extremest position like (recruiters are scumbags and marines get out of Berkly does) is harden people who otherwise might have joined you in stopping this atrocity called a war..

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #78
 
83. Extremist? When was the last time that being against the war could credibly be called extemist?

Maybe actually using our First Amendment rights seems extreme but, to sheep, most expressions probably seem extreme.

We have plenty of support here, but thanks for caring!

It's incredible; it just goes on and on and on.

You know, watching Skins's island sometimes takes the skills of a Kremlinologist, something that requires much reading-between-the-lines and filling-in-the-blanks.

There used to be a time on Skins's island where if anyone talked to Doug's ex-wife like this, he was immediately mausoleumed, as if Doug's ex-wife was Skins's wife.

If the rascally primitive survives, I think it's a sign Doug's ex-wife has worn out her welcome on the island.

[dandi]

Judging by sexlesspat's style of "debate" in that thread, e.g. the strawmen, the circular reasoning, etc., it's easy to see why she wouldn't venture outside The Hive. She's either very dishonest or very stupid, or perhaps some combination of the two. Either way, she's an asshole.

[Rebel]

sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Feb-13-08 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #23

24. I belong to Code Pink and I lived in Berkeley for over a decade.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

The minority community in Berkeley is larger than the state average. They are not rich white kids with time on their hands.

And these kids are targeted by the scum buckets you are defending.

**** you, whore. 

Hey bitch, "I" wasn't lied to. You don't know a ****ing thing about the military, bitch.

[Crazy Horse]

 

Yeah and I really liked the burning of the American Flag you ****ing BITCH!!!!

 

[djones520]

I hope that bitch gets ran over by a truck.  **** you SFexPat.

[franksolich]

I hope that bitch gets ran over by a truck.  **** you SFexPat.

It's always been my philosophy that people are their own worst enemies.

Doug's ex-wife is a classic example.

Just sit back and watch, sir.

I've watched Doug's ex-wife since her debut on Skins's island in November 2004, and the degradation is both noticeable and serious.  She's losing it, and it's her own fault.

Just sit back and watch, sir.

Not today or tomorrow or next week or next month, but it'll happen.

People are their own worst enemies.

[Chris_]

As usual sexpat has no frickin' clue. My son enlisted in, spent about a year in the DEP while finishing college so I got to know the recruiters pretty well. I love those guys. Those young people were as prepared for boot camp as anyone could possibly be. In addition, they took them out on many, many activities from white water rafting to paint ball. They met with my husband and I even though they certainly didn't have to since my son was old enough to join without permission. Not only that, but they held MY hand while my son was at boot. If I was worried, I called, I cried, they listened. I take them cookies about once a month or so. Oorah!

Cindie

[djones520]

As usual sexpat has no frickin' clue. My son enlisted in, spent about a year in the DEP while finishing college so I got to know the recruiters pretty well. I love those guys. Those young people were as prepared for boot camp as anyone could possibly be. In addition, they took them out on many, many activities from white water rafting to paint ball. They met with my husband and I even though they certainly didn't have to since my son was old enough to join without permission. Not only that, but they held MY hand while my son was at boot. If I was worried, I called, I cried, they listened. I take them cookies about once a month or so. Oorah!

Cindie

My father was a Recruiter for the last 7 years of his 22 years in the Air Force.  I can tell you these guys have one of the most thankless jobs in the Military.  I saw it take a man who was in the prime of his life to a heart attack in 1 year, and mental breakdown and attempted suicide in 4 years.  And as far as I'm aware, he didn't have to put up with these douche monkeys.

I'm not a man who moves to violence very easily, but I have little doubt in my mind that if I ever see people like these Code Pink asswads going out of their way to make a Recruiters life any harder, I will be arrested on charges of assualt.

[djones520]

I hope that bitch gets ran over by a truck.  **** you SFexPat.

It's always been my philosophy that people are their own worst enemies.

Doug's ex-wife is a classic example.

Just sit back and watch, sir.

I've watched Doug's ex-wife since her debut on Skins's island in November 2004, and the degradation is both noticeable and serious.  She's losing it, and it's her own fault.

Just sit back and watch, sir.

Not today or tomorrow or next week or next month, but it'll happen.

People are their own worst enemies.

I can only hope it's painful.

[Chris_]

After reading those exchanges I have to think that sfexpat has slipped beyond the realm of "moonbat crazy" into the area of completely and totally insane.

[franksolich]

After reading those exchanges I have to think that sfexpat has slipped beyond the realm of "moonbat crazy" into the area of completely and totally insane.

If she hasn't, she's getting there.

A couple of years ago, Doug's ex-wife listed all the mood-altering pharmaceuticals she's on, and the list was awesome.  (It's reasonable to assume the list has lengthened since then.)

Doug's ex-wife was trying to make a case for blaming George Bush for her needing them.

Anyway, on that list were things that are usually prescribed in 25mg, 50mg, 100mg doses.

Doug's ex-wife was taking them in 250mg, 500mg, 1000mg doses.

By the way, whatever happened to that long list of primitives and their medications, that at one time was "stickied" over at the other place?  Does anybody remember who compiled it?

[Happy Fun Ball]

There used to be a time on Skins's island where if anyone talked to Doug's ex-wife like this, he was immediately mausoleumed, as if Doug's ex-wife was Skins's wife.

If the rascally primitive survives, I think it's a sign Doug's ex-wife has worn out her welcome on the island.

I think it's more of a sign that the mods are asleep at the wheel. Threads like that are usually closed by now. As for wearing out her welcome, the 27 hearts she has is a fairly good sign that she hasn't quite gotten to that point yet.

By the way, whatever happened to that long list of primitives and their medications, that at one time was "stickied" over at the other place?  Does anybody remember who compiled it?

Could this be it?

[franksolich]

Could this be it?

No, that's one of my own threads over in the other place, about the primitives and their pharmaceuticals.

What I'm thinking of is really really really comprehensive, and it was sticked over in the other place before I was even around there (i.e., before May 2005), and was stickied for a very long time; at least a year and a half after I joined.

I think the member there pissed off gator, and it was taken down.

[LadyLiberty]

I didn't know sfexpat was a pinko from Berkley  Medea, is that you??

Since she sees the military as scum buckets, I hope they decide to disallow them protecting her if  Burkleystock gets hit by the terrorists.

[DixieBelle]

So they think the military recruiters and the actual Marines are two different things? Cognitive dissonance much? God, she's a tool.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Judging by sexlesspat's style of "debate" in that thread, e.g. the strawmen, the circular reasoning, etc., it's easy to see why she wouldn't venture outside The Hive. She's either very dishonest or very stupid, or perhaps some combination of the two. Either way, she's an asshole.

I think she hit the trifecta: Stupid, dishonest, AND an asshole.

[Splashdown]

How many times a day do you think Doug counts his blessings for getting out of that relatiosnhip?

[Duke Nukum]

How many times a day do you think Doug counts his blessings for getting out of that relatiosnhip?

Indeed.  He is a very lucky man.

[Chris_]

I can't figure out how she manages to get through an average day. Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised to find out she's really posting from Napa State Hospital.

Cindie