Chavez Threatens US Oil Cutoff

[Crazy Horse]

Go ahead and do so jackass

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ewsjock  (1000+ posts)      Sun Feb-10-08 04:09 PM
Original message
Chavez Threatens US Oil Cutoff
 Source: Associated Press

President Hugo Chavez on Sunday threatened to cut off oil sales to the United States if Exxon Mobil Corp. wins court judgments to seize his government's assets.

"If you end up freezing (Venezuelan assets) and it harms us, we're going to harm you," Chavez said. "Do you know how? We aren't going to send oil to the United States. Take note, Mr. Bush, Mr. Danger."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/0...

Wwagsthedog  (1000+ posts)      Sun Feb-10-08 04:14 PM
Original message
Question is -
 Will we invvake to ensure a steady supply of Hugo's oil? Sorry, but this sounds like a broken record

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LoZoccolo  (1000+ posts)       Sun Feb-10-08 04:14 PM
Response to Original message
1. lol
 So they'll send it somewhere else, and we'll buy it from someone else, and the price will remain the same because it's a commodity.

daleo  (1000+ posts)      Sun Feb-10-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. He can sell it all to China, then
 They need a secure source of oil, if they are going to catch up to the U.S. in economic and military power. Naturally, the U.S. power structure won't mind if that Chinese oil comes from America's back yard. They have always been known to play fair, when it comes to oil.

yet we don;t drill for oil in the GOM while China and Mexico are due to damn enviromental terrorist

LoZoccolo  (1000+ posts)       Sun Feb-10-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Sure.
 Then whoever was going to sell to China before Hugo did will sell to us.

Chavez's threat is empty posturing and demagoguing to his own people. He is the left-wing Bush*.

 

TheBorealAvenger  (1000+ posts)       Sun Feb-10-08 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. Refineries are designed for the oil field they are getting petroleum from
 The thick Venezuelan crude is different than the paraffin rich Pennsylvania crude, the high-sulfide Saudi crude, or the sulfide-free West Texas Permian "sweet" crude.

That's my understanding of it.

Someday, the producers will do their own refining and we will be importing tankers of gasoline or diesel.

and what country is able to refine that oil in Venezuala

Lone_Star_Dem  (1000+ posts)       Sun Feb-10-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. This is my understanding also 
 Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 04:48 PM by Lone_Star_Dem
Refineries are specific to their source. I know people in the biz who say they can tell by the smell around a refinery where it is getting it's crude from.

Personally, I doubt that but you never know.

 

Pavulon (1000+ posts)       Sun Feb-10-08 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. China cant refine it..
 He is full of shit.

 

daleo  (1000+ posts)      Sun Feb-10-08 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. So China builds the necessary refineries
 This is long term stuff. Clearly, China has the technological know-how to process whatever oil they can get.

Pavulon (1000+ posts)       Sun Feb-10-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. China is 3 days from
 Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 04:54 PM by Pavulon
running out of coal to run the country. Changing refinery operation and the cost of transportation are not trivial things. Certainly will not be done in time for red shirts bluff to become reality.

 

ben_meyers (747 posts)      Sun Feb-10-08 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. In the meantime we won't have to invade Venezuela
 What's left of their economy will collapse and Hugo will be gone. How long will it take China to ramp up it's capacity to handle the tar like crude, and how much more will it cost to dedicate tankers to just shipping Hugo's oil.

Oil is fungible, the world wide market dictates where it's shipped and what it costs.

Please don't allow the truth to enter into this

northzax  (1000+ posts)       Sun Feb-10-08 04:23 PM
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5. ah, nothing like threatening courts if they don't agree with you
 tres democratic. I think he should go right ahead. In three or four years, when china has retrofitted a refinery or four to handle the heavy crude from the Orinoco belt, he can start selling again. In the meantime, well, maybe cutting back on arms purchases from Russia will tide them over?

Peace Patriot  (1000+ posts)       Sun Feb-10-08 04:48 PM
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10. "The Smart Way to Beat Tyrants Like Chávez," by Donald Rumsfeld 
 Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 04:51 PM by Peace Patriot
"The Smart Way to Beat Tyrants Like Chávez," by Donald Rumsfeld, 12/1/07
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

Yup. That Donald Rumsfeld. In Dec 07.

If you read between the lines a bit (always necessary with Rumsfeld), he says we need to get rid of any remaining "checks and balances" in our own government (Congress, the State Dept.) in order to take "swift action" ("unitary executive") in support of "friends and allies" (fascist thugs planning coups) in South America, after larding more billions of our tax dollars into the Colombian military (and paramilitaries) and creating a "no-rules-about-killing-union-leaders" 'free trade' zone in Colombia, and destroying Venezuela's economy.

Then there's Exxon Mobile...

Exxon wins freeze on $12 billion of Venezuelan assets 2/7/08
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080208/bs_nm/exxon_venezul...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Exxon shatters profit records 2/1/08
Oil giant makes corporate history by booking $11.7 billion in quarterly profit; earns $1,300 a second in 2007.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/01/news/companies/exxon_ea... /

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(Re: Exxon Mobile walking out of talks with Venezuela cuz they couldn't kneecap Venezuela into a higher percentage of profit in a new oil venture (that other companies including France's Total agreed to), and running to the World Bank for "arbitration," followed now by their current effort to freeze Venezuela's assets...here's what Don Hodges, of the $700 million Hodges Fund in Dallas, said about it in September...)


"Resistance Applauded 9/12/07

"'I'm glad to see them (Exxon Mobile) do it,' said Don Hodges... 'You don't know what the outcome will be, but you'd rather see them resist it than just lay down and say, `Help yourself to it.'" (emphasis added)
http://oilsandstruth.org/hugo-knows-value-his-tar


(Venezuelans "helping themselves" to their own oil? That's Dallas money men's and Exxon Mobile's view--it's their oil, not Venezuela's.)

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We are looking at Oil War II: South America. That's what the above highlighted dates mean. Fall 07 to now. It has begun. Exxon fired the first shot on 9/12/07. Rumsfeld announced the economic warfare (and broadly hinted at U.S. military intervention), on 12/1/07. Exxon has now moved to freeze Venezuela's assets. And they and their corporate news lapdogs have been bad-mouthing Chavez all year, calling him a tyrant and a dictator (after numerous failed efforts to overthrow him starting in 02). It's a compressed version of the preliminaries to the Iraq War.

And we thought Rumsfeld was "retired"!

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See the above thread for my comment on the Associated Press, and their coverage of Chavez, Venezuela and the huge South American Leftist (majorityist) movement, which has elected Leftist presidents in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile and Nicaragua--virtually the entire continent has turned "very blue" over the last half decade--with most of the foregoing friends and allies of Chavez (not so much Chile--they're more "free trade"-type of liberals, more in the Clinton mold). And the main force of the Leftist movement has joined together in new initiatives, like the Bank of the South, toward regional independence and self-determination. (The Bank of the South, for instance, is driving the World Bank loan sharks out the region.)

This is why AP and other war profiteering corporate 'news' monopolies put such stupid reporters on the Chavez beat, and hand them Bush/CIA photocopies to write the "talking points" from. The Dark Lords don't like anybody who turns down their usurious loans, and organizes leftist countries into a powerhouse of social justice and regional strength--especially when they have a lot of oil (Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia--and recent big find in Argentina--the closest leftist allies).

 

Redstone  (1000+ posts)      Sun Feb-10-08 04:58 PM
Response to Original message
14. Oh, **** him. The people in Venezuela will soon figure out that they can't eat oil,
 if he decides to stop exporting it.

I've lost all the respect I used to have for Mr Chavez; he's turned into the same kind of blowhard, tinpot-dictator-wannabe as bushyboy is.

In his grandstanding of his enmity for bushyboy, he's become bushyboy.

Redstone

You're going to have a stroke

[franksolich]

Oh my.

Dioug's ex-wife appears to missing in action, and Yugo needs her support.

Maybe Doug's ex-wife is still too busy defending the sleazey ex-governor of Alabama.

Judi Lynne makes an appearance, but not enough.

[jinxmchue]

So...  Citgo stations will be shut down and other gas stations will received increased business.  Gosh.  How crippling.

And it's fascinating to see the DUmmies advocating China building oil refineries.  Do they really think China gives a damn about the environment?  Inconvenient truth, dickwads.  Inconvenient truth.

[Lord Undies]

President Bush should come out and say the USA will not be buying anymore oil from Hugoland just to watch Chavez shit his khakis.

[TheSarge]

Let Hugo cut off the flow.  Then maybe the Libtards in tis country will learn to spell ANWR

[jukin]

HEY DUmbasses, none of the courts were in the good old USofA.

SUck it DUmmys.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Let Hugo cut off the flow.  Then maybe the Libtards in tis country will learn to spell ANWR

Not just ANWR.

There's a shale basin stretching from CO to UT with 3 times the il of Saudi Arabia; enough to sustain current US growth levels for the enxt 400 years. That's not even counting natural gas in the DJ basin (central CO, where I work) more oil in WY, the Dakotas, Alaska outside ANWR, Gulf of Mexico, Pacific Coast, the rest of Utah, OK, TX...

This nation is floating on oil. All we need to do is stop making it prohibitively expensive/legalistic to drill for it.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Wwagsthedog  (1000+ posts)      Sun Feb-10-08 04:14 PM
Original message
Question is -
 Will we invvake to ensure a steady supply of Hugo's oil? Sorry, but this sounds like a broken record

It is, isn't it?  But probably not in the sense you meant.

 

[Bondai]

Let Hugo cut off the flow.  Then maybe the Libtards in tis country will learn to spell ANWR

Not just ANWR.

There's a shale basin stretching from CO to UT with 3 times the il of Saudi Arabia; enough to sustain current US growth levels for the enxt 400 years. That's not even counting natural gas in the DJ basin (central CO, where I work) more oil in WY, the Dakotas, Alaska outside ANWR, Gulf of Mexico, Pacific Coast, the rest of Utah, OK, TX...

This nation is floating on oil. All we need to do is stop making it prohibitively expensive/legalistic to drill for it.

I saw a good program about crude. The newest theory is that the earth manufactures oil. Oil is not merely a "leftover" from an era gone by.

[miskie]

Ive seen that theory since the mid 80's pop up again and again --that basically to get oil, all one needs to do is dig deep enough to find it.

[Lacarnut]

So...  Citgo stations will be shut down and other gas stations will received increased business.  Gosh.  How crippling.

Chavez has started changing the name of Citgo gas stations in an attempt to fool us because many Americans will not buy gas from this commie.

[TheSarge]

Chavez has started changing the name of Citgo gas stations in an attempt to fool us because many Americans will not buy gas from this commie.

That and he's paying Joe Kennedy to tell us what a good thing it is that Hugo is donating heating oil to poor folks that the other big oil companies turn a blind eye to.

[DixieBelle]

Our local Citgo changed names and is now out of business.

I wonder what happened to Doug's ex-wife???

[BlueStateSaint]

In the Capitol District of NY, there's two oil/gasoline distributors.  Everyone, no matter whether it's the local Citgo station or the local USA Fuels station (or Sunoco, or whatever) gets their gasoline from those two distributors.  No idea on where those two distributors get their crude oil from, but the Citgo stations around here don't (necessarily) get their oil from Venezuela.

[Lord Undies]

In the Capitol District of NY, there's two oil/gasoline distributors.  Everyone, no matter whether it's the local Citgo station or the local USA Fuels station (or Sunoco, or whatever) gets their gasoline from those two distributors.  No idea on where those two distributors get their crude oil from, but the Citgo stations around here don't (necessarily) get their oil from Venezuela.

It's all about not supporting Citgo regardless.   Let Chavez choke on his dead dinosaur juice.

[jinxmchue]

Let Hugo cut off the flow.  Then maybe the Libtards in tis country will learn to spell ANWR

Not just ANWR.

There's a shale basin stretching from CO to UT with 3 times the il of Saudi Arabia; enough to sustain current US growth levels for the enxt 400 years. That's not even counting natural gas in the DJ basin (central CO, where I work) more oil in WY, the Dakotas, Alaska outside ANWR, Gulf of Mexico, Pacific Coast, the rest of Utah, OK, TX...

This nation is floating on oil. All we need to do is stop making it prohibitively expensive/legalistic to drill for it.

That's the one Clinton f'ed us over on by declaring the land above it a national park or something, right?

[Chris_]

That's the one Clinton f'ed us over on by declaring the land above it a national park or something, right?

That would be it.

It takes about two tons of shale sand to produce a barrel of oil.  The libs would have a heart attack if we started digging domestically.

[TheSarge]

That's the one Clinton f'ed us over on by declaring the land above it a national park or something, right?

Yup...and big surprise   who the main bebefactor was.  Wonder if when the MSM talks to Her Thighness they'll ask her about this:

large part of America’s energy dependence on foreign sources can be traced to Sept. 18, 1996, when President Bill Clinton stood on the edge of the Grand Canyon on the Arizona side and signed an executive proclamation making 1.7 million acres of Utah a new national monument.

Why would he dedicate a Utah monument while standing in Arizona? Well, this federal land grab was done without any consultation with the governor of Utah or any member of the Utah congressional delegation or any elected official in the state. The unfriendly Utah natives might have spoiled his photo-op

The state already had six national monuments, two national recreation areas and all or part of five national forests. Three-quarters of Utah already was in federal hands. Still, the land grab was sold as a move to protect the environment.

At the time, the Clintons were worried that Ralph Nader’s presence on the ballot in a few Western states would draw green votes from Clinton in a race that promised to be close after the GOP retook Congress two years earlier.

In fact, the declaration of 1.7 million Utah acres as a national monument, thereby depriving an energy-starved U.S. up to 62 billion tons of environmentally safe low-sulfur coal worth $1.2 trillion and minable with minimal surface impact, was a political payoff to the family of James Riady.

He’s the son of Lippo Group owner Mochtar Riady. James was found guilty of — and paid a multimillion dollar fine for — funneling more than $1 million in illegal political contributions through Lippo Bank into various American political campaigns, including Bill Clinton’s presidential run in 1992.

Clinton took off the world market the largest known deposit of clean-burning coal. And who owned and controlled the second-largest deposit in the world of this clean coal? The Indonesian Lippo Group of James Riady. It is found and strip-mined on the Indonesian island of Kalimantan.

The Utah reserve contains a kind of low-sulfur, low-ash and therefore low-polluting coal that can be found in only a couple of places in the world. It burns so cleanly that it meets the requirements of the Clean Air Act without additional technology.

“The mother of all land grabs,” Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, said at the time. He has called what was designated as the Grande Staircase of the Escalante National Monument the “Saudi Arabia of coal.”

When Clinton signed the proclamation, he promised to exchange other federal lands for the land that was taken. But a fair exchange was impossible, Hatch said, since no other land in Utah had a trillion dollars worth of clean coal.

Rep. James Hansen, R-Utah, pointed out that a large portion of the coal-rich Kaiparowits Plateau within the monument belonged to the children of Utah. When Utah became a state in 1896, about 220,000 acres were set aside for development, and a trust fund was created to collect and hold all the revenues directly for the benefit of schools.

Margaret Bird, trust officer for the fund, said that because the land will not be developed, the schools stand to lose as much as $1 billion over the next 50 years. Phyllis Sorensen, head of the Utah chapter of the National Education Association, called Clinton’s action a “felonious assault” and “stealing from the schoolchildren.”

Stealing from children to reward Indonesian billionaires. How pathetic.

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977239116

[jinxmchue]

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977239116

Mahatma H. Gandhi!  Is there any end to the criminal acts of the Clinton Family Evil Empire?

[TheSarge]

Mahatma H. Gandhi!  Is there any end to the criminal acts of the Clinton Family Evil Empire?

No.  And the effects of their eight years in office will continue to pop up for years to come.