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Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« on: February 01, 2008, 09:15:36 AM »
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Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
 About these advertisementsThe idea behind it is that it dematerializes someone on the ship and them puts him or her back together on the planet.

But how do they know that's really what happens? How do they know it doesn't KILL the person on the ship by disintergration (generally thought to be a fatal condition) and then make a new, identical person on the planet? The new person on the planet would be exactly the same as the previous (now dead) person with the exact same memories. That person will believe himself or herself to be the person from the ship because he will "remember" being there. Yet it will be false memories like those in Total Recall or Blade Runner because there are artificially created by the transporter beam making an exact copy of the previous person who is now gone.


 
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How's this for an answer, IT'S NOT REAL.

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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2008, 09:19:11 AM »
not alot of hot chicks in the bar scene in SW...
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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2008, 09:20:24 AM »



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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2008, 09:23:33 AM »
I am a fan of the Star Wars movies, and I like to watch Shatner overact as Kirk.  But there is no bigger loser on the planet than Trekkies....
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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2008, 09:26:45 AM »
Well, seeing how Star Trek is fantasy fiction, I don't have trouble with the transporter.  If Star Trek was a documentary, I would have to say it is bullsh*t.  The first clue would be that Spock, living in this vastly advanced time, would have had his ears corrected at birth.

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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2008, 09:29:26 AM »


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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2008, 09:34:02 AM »
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Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
 About these advertisementsThe idea behind it is that it dematerializes someone on the ship and them puts him or her back together on the planet.

But how do they know that's really what happens? How do they know it doesn't KILL the person on the ship by disintergration (generally thought to be a fatal condition) and then make a new, identical person on the planet? The new person on the planet would be exactly the same as the previous (now dead) person with the exact same memories. That person will believe himself or herself to be the person from the ship because he will "remember" being there. Yet it will be false memories like those in Total Recall or Blade Runner because there are artificially created by the transporter beam making an exact copy of the previous person who is now gone.


 
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How's this for an answer, IT'S NOT REAL.

The lounge really is the Bar Scene From Star Wars

FWIIW, a lot of devices introduced in ST:TOS were inspirations for real world inventions.  The sliding doors are an example.  One of those TLC stations had a improperly-named program called something like "How William Shatner saved the Universe" that reviewed the Trek-inspired technology.

Roddenberry was emphatic about NOT describing all the technology, because that is not what people do.  But he did have technical and SF people on staff (Dorothy "DC" Fontana prominently) who at least came up with consistent theoretical physics to describe the ST Universe.

IIRC, there is a force shield that keeps the particles contained.  The computer is responsible for tracking the billions of particles. There have been several famous transporter accidents:  The "good Kirk/evil Kirk" in TOS "The Enemy Within," the buffeer  failure in ST:TM I (which partially answers the DUmmy's question -- when the particles don't reassemble properly it is not pretty), and the creation of Thomas Riker described in TNG episode "Second Chances."

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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2008, 09:39:27 AM »
What's funniest of all is you have a few morons trying to explain it.  :lmao:
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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2008, 09:47:20 AM »
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Deep13  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-01-08 10:08 AM
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Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
 About these advertisementsThe idea behind it is that it dematerializes someone on the ship and them puts him or her back together on the planet.

But how do they know that's really what happens? How do they know it doesn't KILL the person on the ship by disintergration (generally thought to be a fatal condition) and then make a new, identical person on the planet? The new person on the planet would be exactly the same as the previous (now dead) person with the exact same memories. That person will believe himself or herself to be the person from the ship because he will "remember" being there. Yet it will be false memories like those in Total Recall or Blade Runner because there are artificially created by the transporter beam making an exact copy of the previous person who is now gone.


 
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How's this for an answer, IT'S NOT REAL.

The lounge really is the Bar Scene From Star Wars

FWIIW, a lot of devices introduced in ST:TOS were inspirations for real world inventions.  The sliding doors are an example.  One of those TLC stations had a improperly-named program called something like "How William Shatner saved the Universe" that reviewed the Trek-inspired technology.

Roddenberry was emphatic about NOT describing all the technology, because that is not what people do.  But he did have technical and SF people on staff (Dorothy "DC" Fontana prominently) who at least came up with consistent theoretical physics to describe the ST Universe.

IIRC, there is a force shield that keeps the particles contained.  The computer is responsible for tracking the billions of particles. There have been several famous transporter accidents:  The "good Kirk/evil Kirk" in TOS "The Enemy Within," the buffeer  failure in ST:TM I (which partially answers the DUmmy's question -- when the particles don't reassemble properly it is not pretty), and the creation of Thomas Riker described in TNG episode "Second Chances."

Isn't it sad I know all that?

quite.  :bawl:

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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2008, 09:51:34 AM »
I'm patiently waiting for the consumer version of the Holideck to come on the market  :popcorn: :-)
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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2008, 09:57:35 AM »
The shuttlecraft sets weren't done on time and they needed a way to get planetside.  Damn those practical TV people.

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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2008, 10:06:27 AM »
I'm patiently waiting for the consumer version of the Holideck to come on the market  :popcorn: :-)

Til then you going to have to settle for porn flicks. :couch:
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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2008, 10:11:36 AM »
Wait a minute.  "Lost In Space" had those sliding doors first.

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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2008, 10:14:50 AM »
Wait a minute.  "Lost In Space" had those sliding doors first.

Maybe they weren't as prominent.  I kind of remember them on the Jupiter 2, but they were to go from the main deck to the quarters.  90% of LIS was outdoors.

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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2008, 10:17:35 AM »
I'm patiently waiting for the consumer version of the Holideck to come on the market  :popcorn: :-)
It was funny how TNG danced with the idea that people might (might?  WILL) use the Holodeck for "improper fantasies" when they had Lt. Barclay fantasizing about out-machoing Riker and "winning" Troi.  In RL, that would have been him, Troi, some coco butter and no clothes.
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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2008, 10:19:24 AM »
Wait a minute.  "Lost In Space" had those sliding doors first.

Maybe they weren't as prominent.  I kind of remember them on the Jupiter 2, but they were to go from the main deck to the quarters.  90% of LIS was outdoors.


I believe studies showed it to be 83%.  You're wrong.

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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2008, 10:20:20 AM »
Wait a minute.  "Lost In Space" had those sliding doors first.

Maybe they weren't as prominent.  I kind of remember them on the Jupiter 2, but they were to go from the main deck to the quarters.  90% of LIS was outdoors.


I believe studies showed it to be 83%.  You're wrong.

I think I am quoting you when I say that studies show that 90% of all statistics from studies are pulled out of the poster's ass ;)
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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2008, 10:24:44 AM »
Wait a minute.  "Lost In Space" had those sliding doors first.

Maybe they weren't as prominent.  I kind of remember them on the Jupiter 2, but they were to go from the main deck to the quarters.  90% of LIS was outdoors.


I believe studies showed it to be 83%.  You're wrong.

I think I am quoting you when I say that studies show that 90% of all statistics from studies are pulled out of the poster's ass ;)


Since your hand is up there anyway, remember to fish around and pull out an uneven number like 83%.  It has more credibility.

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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2008, 10:31:04 AM »
Wait a minute.  "Lost In Space" had those sliding doors first.

Maybe they weren't as prominent.  I kind of remember them on the Jupiter 2, but they were to go from the main deck to the quarters.  90% of LIS was outdoors.


I believe studies showed it to be 83%.  You're wrong.

I think I am quoting you when I say that studies show that 90% of all statistics from studies are pulled out of the poster's ass ;)


Since your hand is up there anyway, remember to fish around and pull out an uneven number like 83%.  It has more credibility.

You could Spockify it and add some decimals like 83.562%
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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2008, 10:38:03 AM »
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Deep13  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-01-08 10:08 AM
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Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
 About these advertisementsThe idea behind it is that it dematerializes someone on the ship and them puts him or her back together on the planet.

But how do they know that's really what happens? How do they know it doesn't KILL the person on the ship by disintergration (generally thought to be a fatal condition) and then make a new, identical person on the planet? The new person on the planet would be exactly the same as the previous (now dead) person with the exact same memories. That person will believe himself or herself to be the person from the ship because he will "remember" being there. Yet it will be false memories like those in Total Recall or Blade Runner because there are artificially created by the transporter beam making an exact copy of the previous person who is now gone.


 
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Who said it isn't real, who? C'mon don't talk crazy.... :bawl:


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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2008, 10:38:32 AM »
Wait a minute.  "Lost In Space" had those sliding doors first.

Maybe they weren't as prominent.  I kind of remember them on the Jupiter 2, but they were to go from the main deck to the quarters.  90% of LIS was outdoors.


I believe studies showed it to be 83%.  You're wrong.

I think I am quoting you when I say that studies show that 90% of all statistics from studies are pulled out of the poster's ass ;)


Since your hand is up there anyway, remember to fish around and pull out an uneven number like 83%.  It has more credibility.

You could Spockify it and add some decimals like 83.562%

Only sperds who watch Star Trek would find that impressive.  It is best to use whole numbers to impress normal folks.

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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2008, 10:39:49 AM »
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Deep13  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-01-08 10:08 AM
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Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
 About these advertisementsThe idea behind it is that it dematerializes someone on the ship and them puts him or her back together on the planet.

But how do they know that's really what happens? How do they know it doesn't KILL the person on the ship by disintergration (generally thought to be a fatal condition) and then make a new, identical person on the planet? The new person on the planet would be exactly the same as the previous (now dead) person with the exact same memories. That person will believe himself or herself to be the person from the ship because he will "remember" being there. Yet it will be false memories like those in Total Recall or Blade Runner because there are artificially created by the transporter beam making an exact copy of the previous person who is now gone.


 
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How's this for an answer, IT'S NOT REAL.

The lounge really is the Bar Scene From Star Wars

Who said it isn't real, who? C'mon don't talk crazy.... :bawl:

In your wacked-out world it probably is real (is that better?  :-*)

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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2008, 10:43:13 AM »
Wait a minute.  "Lost In Space" had those sliding doors first.

Maybe they weren't as prominent.  I kind of remember them on the Jupiter 2, but they were to go from the main deck to the quarters.  90% of LIS was outdoors.


I believe studies showed it to be 83%.  You're wrong.

I think I am quoting you when I say that studies show that 90% of all statistics from studies are pulled out of the poster's ass ;)


Since your hand is up there anyway, remember to fish around and pull out an uneven number like 83%.  It has more credibility.

You could Spockify it and add some decimals like 83.562%

Only sperds who watch Star Trek would find that impressive.  It is best to use whole numbers to impress normal folks.
Other than Frank, name one "normal person" on this board. :)
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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2008, 10:44:28 AM »
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Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
 About these advertisementsThe idea behind it is that it dematerializes someone on the ship and them puts him or her back together on the planet.

But how do they know that's really what happens? How do they know it doesn't KILL the person on the ship by disintergration (generally thought to be a fatal condition) and then make a new, identical person on the planet? The new person on the planet would be exactly the same as the previous (now dead) person with the exact same memories. That person will believe himself or herself to be the person from the ship because he will "remember" being there. Yet it will be false memories like those in Total Recall or Blade Runner because there are artificially created by the transporter beam making an exact copy of the previous person who is now gone.


 
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How's this for an answer, IT'S NOT REAL.

The lounge really is the Bar Scene From Star Wars

Who said it isn't real, who? C'mon don't talk crazy.... :bawl:

Hey, just remember NOT to screw with the Heisenberg Uncouplers.
 
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Re: Question about the transporter beam on Star Trek.
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2008, 10:48:40 AM »
Wait a minute.  "Lost In Space" had those sliding doors first.

Maybe they weren't as prominent.  I kind of remember them on the Jupiter 2, but they were to go from the main deck to the quarters.  90% of LIS was outdoors.


I believe studies showed it to be 83%.  You're wrong.

I think I am quoting you when I say that studies show that 90% of all statistics from studies are pulled out of the poster's ass ;)


Since your hand is up there anyway, remember to fish around and pull out an uneven number like 83%.  It has more credibility.

You could Spockify it and add some decimals like 83.562%

Only sperds who watch Star Trek would find that impressive.  It is best to use whole numbers to impress normal folks.
Other than Frank, name one "normal person" on this board. :)

You must know a different Frank.  The only Frank I know here is the Frank who collects cats and lives with antique pig poop in the Sandhills of Nebraska.