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WSJ - Swing Voters Don't Want Big Government
« on: November 07, 2008, 08:56:01 AM »
This article resonates big time with me.

I am not a straight-ticket voter. I am not a member of either major political party. I like to vote for qualifications and position on the issues, not necessarily in that order. With our current brokedick two-party system, I have NEVER found a political candidate to match my own ideals and that's why we have the "hold your nose and pull the lever" kind of voting process anymore.

I hate voting AGAINST a candidate, but find that to be the rule rather than the exception.

So I think the poll referenced below captures me nicely, and perhaps a few of you too.

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Swing Voters Don't Want Big Government

Survey results Barack Obama and the GOP would be wise to heed.

By PAT TOOMEY

Barack Obama and congressional Democrats won big on Tuesday night, but they should not mistake their victory for a big-government mandate. The evidence tells a very different story.

A poll commissioned by the Club for Growth in 12 swing congressional districts over the past weekend shows that the voters who made the difference in this election still prefer less government -- lower taxes, less spending and less regulation -- to Sen. Obama's economic liberalism. Turns out, Americans didn't vote for Mr. Obama and Democratic congressional candidates because they support their redistributionist agenda, but because they are fed up with the Republican politicians in office. This was a classic "throw the bums out" election, rather than an embrace of the policy views of those who will replace them.

Although currently held by Republican congressmen, all but one of these 12 districts we surveyed flipped to Democratic control Tuesday night. Collectively, President Bush carried these districts in 2004 with 53%. They are nearly evenly split in party affiliation: 40% Democratic, 37% Republican and 19% Independent. The poll surveyed 800 voters with a margin of error of +/- 3.46 percentage points.
Nancy Pelosi's San Francisco district will always support universal health care, and Jeff Flake's Arizona district will always support less government. But the 12 districts we surveyed represent the political middle of the country, and in this cycle their partisan allegiances changed. The question is, have their opinions on the issues changed as well? The answer is emphatically no.

Consider the most salient aspects of Mr. Obama's economic agenda: the redistribution of wealth through higher taxes on America's top earners; the revival of the death tax; raising the tax on capital gains and dividend income; increased government spending; increased government involvement in the housing crisis; a restriction on offshore drilling and oil exploration in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR); and "card check" legislation stripping workers of their right to a secret ballot in union elections.

On each of these issues, swing voters stand starkly against Mr. Obama. According to the Club's poll, 73% of voters prefer the federal government to focus on "creating economic conditions that give all people opportunities to create wealth through their own efforts" over "spreading wealth from higher income people to middle and lower income people." Two-thirds of respondents prefer to see the permanent elimination of the death tax, and 65% prefer to keep capital gains and dividend tax rates at their current lows.

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Re: WSJ - Swing Voters Don't Want Big Government
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2008, 09:00:34 AM »
Only non-tax payers want big government and thats entirely self interest driven.

Problem is that they're WAY to close to 50% now and I fear will cross that mark in the next two years.

We all know that crossing that mark will spell the end of the USA as leader of the free world but isn't that wnat libs want ?

We have to settle in for at least two years of serious communicating with Congress.  Its the only hope we have of keepnig a lid on them.
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What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?

One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

The other kills her own food.

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Re: WSJ - Swing Voters Don't Want Big Government
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2008, 09:15:44 AM »
Boy, are they in for a big dose of reality. Those expectations fly in the face of every hallmark and doctrine that Obama and the rest of the Dem party's record and alliances indicate.
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Re: WSJ - Swing Voters Don't Want Big Government
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2008, 09:42:17 AM »
The why the HELL did they vote for a Socialist?



Because the GOP FAILED to show remorse for their spending sins over the last 8 years and moreover they FAILED to show cause as to why they were NOT responsible for the mortgage crisis.

Short answer, weak kneed congress critters and a John McCain who was a WORSE communicator than Dubya.  Thats saying something.

Newt told congress that they had to be VERY BOLD and repudiate their recent history and they just wouldn't do it.  And Palin couldn't overcome McCain's insistence to being "Mr Nice Guy".
My fellow Americans, there is nothing audacious about hope. Hope is what makes people buy lottery tickets instead of paying the bills. Hope is for the old gals feeding the slots in Atlantic City. It destroys the inner-city kid who quits school because he hopes he'll be a world-famous recording artist.

What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?

One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

The other kills her own food.

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Re: WSJ - Swing Voters Don't Want Big Government
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2008, 09:43:57 AM »
Boy, are they in for a big dose of reality. Those expectations fly in the face of every hallmark and doctrine that Obama and the rest of the Dem party's record and alliances indicate.


We have to have to lean on Congress very hard for two years to minimize the damage and then Obama will be a lame duck for his other two years.
My fellow Americans, there is nothing audacious about hope. Hope is what makes people buy lottery tickets instead of paying the bills. Hope is for the old gals feeding the slots in Atlantic City. It destroys the inner-city kid who quits school because he hopes he'll be a world-famous recording artist.

What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?

One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

The other kills her own food.

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Re: WSJ - Swing Voters Don't Want Big Government
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2008, 09:46:04 AM »
The why the HELL did they vote for a Socialist?

They didn't.  They voted in the Marxist; the big government socialist (Marxist lite) was running on the Republican ticket.
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Re: WSJ - Swing Voters Don't Want Big Government
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2008, 10:27:57 AM »
The why the HELL did they vote for a Socialist?

Nobody ever went broke underestimating the American public.
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Re: WSJ - Swing Voters Don't Want Big Government
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2008, 10:32:24 AM »


Because the GOP FAILED to show remorse for their spending sins over the last 8 years and moreover they FAILED to show cause as to why they were NOT responsible for the mortgage crisis.

Short answer, weak kneed congress critters and a John McCain who was a WORSE communicator than Dubya.  Thats saying something.

Newt told congress that they had to be VERY BOLD and repudiate their recent history and they just wouldn't do it.  And Palin couldn't overcome McCain's insistence to being "Mr Nice Guy".

Absolutely spot-on, Jim. H5.
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