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Re: The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace
« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2008, 06:43:02 AM »
Come back to reality, the GOP will rise above this and re-take power back in the next midterm election and in the Presidential election in 2012.  Barrack will screw this country and I will be there to say "I told you so" and "impeach" louder than the DUmmies.

The Republican party will make up some signfiicant ground in the mid-term elections, but it will take several election cycles to reclaim the majority.  All thanks to the "real conservatives" who decided to stay home to nurse their "feelings."  Yeah, that will teach the RNC.    :whatever:


Note:   When the Republicans take back seats in two years, Lieberman will be snickering at Reid for taking away Chair seats from him now.    The liberals are not forward thinking, and they never learn a damn thing from history. 
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Re: The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace
« Reply #51 on: November 08, 2008, 06:53:28 AM »
we have no choice but to give obama a chance...



By staying home, or voting for a chump candidate like Barr?    Uh, no.   

You going ahead with you rose colored glasses, while we worry about the damage that he will inflict on our country.   Hell, maybe it won't be so bad right?    It took Billy-Jeff 8 years to bring the WoT to our shores......

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Re: The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace
« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2008, 09:14:34 AM »
Ok, I skipped a few pages of this thread so forgive me while I catch up here.    

GWB did not run as a conservative, he ran on his record as Governor -- which was social conservative, fiscal moderate.  

At the time he was first elected, Billy-Jeff had thoroughly trashed the presidency with his indiscretions.   The economy was in the early stages of free fall, which no one gave any attention to, so the priority for voters was family values/social conservatism.  

GWB, while he made mistakes, is not the horrible president that the MSM makes him out to be.   You and I both know that history will be very kind to GWB and Tony Blair for doing the impossible -- bringing democracy to the ME (which by the way is real "change").  

The MSM has lost its way and has completely destroyed journalistic credibility.   Putin only wishes he could exact the type of influence our media wields over our Nation.    Unfortunately, while the MSM was successful in temporarily vilifying a good pesident, while installing a radical socialist in his place, they have pretty much nailed their own coffin.    Their little social experiment will be their final downfall.  

GWB did not give us Obama, the media did.   The laughable "real conservatives" who stayed home -- which all indications point to their doing just that again in this election cycle, are nothing of the sort.   A real conservative would eat his own before doing anything that would install a socialist into the office of presidency.    A real conservative would move a mountain before allowing Congressional seats to be lost to socialists.   A real conservative cares about the party more than their "feelings."   A real conservative is a grown-up and understands the entire political landscape.   Pretty freakin sad when Hillary Clinton understands that concept (witness her stumping for her political enemy Obama) more than the so-called "real conservatives."  

You have no use for GWB?   Slap yourself,  New Hampshire is starting to seep into your brain.   Just say no to that crap Sparky.  





Just wanted you to know that I have been reading your posts all throughout this thread, and I have appreciated each and every one of them.  :II:

You're right on about the MSM media.

I only wonder how long they will deny the truth about this man that they sold to the Americans that bought him.

I personally think that Obama's win was a combination of the MSM and McCain being too much of a gentleman in his campaign.

There is NO point in trashing either John McCain or George Bush. We need to focus on a new strategy to not allowing Obama to rubber-stamp us into absolute socialism by 2010.
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Re: The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace
« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2008, 10:04:05 AM »
We are no longer on the defensive....we no longer have to defend President Bush that he didn't "steal" the election.

From that one incident...the man ( and us Republicans) has had to defend himself for 8 YEARS on every decision he has made whether it be what our military is doing, has done, will do.....to foreign policy...to national disasters...to the economy....to whether or not the sun will rise in the east. GW has had to defend himself for eating a pretzel during a football game when he choked on it!!!!

President Bush has not, could not, would not ......do any thing that the Democrats "approved" of ...for 8 YEARS!!!

Anyone who has voted for the man ...who liked him and what he was doing....has had to defend him against others for 8 YEARS!!!

God Bless GW and his family....he has gone through more in 8 years than any other president (with the exception of those during the Civil War, and WW I and II).

I truly believe George W Bush is a fine man. A man who has stood by his beliefs and made decisions that have been horribly hard .....while people have spit in his face....and treated him with the worst disrespect I have ever seen a president treated in my almost 56 years.

He has not deserved this and I hope from the bottom of my heart...that history will be kind to him and he finally will get the respect he has always been entitled to and not received.

That being said......

We Republicans must take this time to renew and find ourselves and someone out there who will represent our values, our wants and desires for our country.

In the meantime....we must stand silent against the Democratic "gloat" which will come at us for the next several months. We must not sink to their level of hate and animosity. We are better than that.

We must quietly prepare...prepare to protect ourselves, our families, our country. We must quietly go on the offensive.

The Democrats are a fickle group.

By June...when Obama has been in for 6 months and there have not been the changes that he has promised....the "masses" that voted for him will start the rumblings of discontent. When the economy is still in the tank....the rumblings will become louder. When we still have military in the mideast....the rumblings will become even louder. When those tax cuts do not appear.....the rumblings will become rage.

WE must be ready.....not with "we told you so's " ...but with a candidate that can pull the country together. To save the country from it's citizens.

WE MUST be ready for the winds of change ...that are not the gentle breeze of flowers, love, peace and happiness...but the tornadic winds of destruction.

WE MUST BE READY......

 :bow: H5 Deb!
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Re: The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace
« Reply #54 on: November 08, 2008, 10:32:04 AM »
Someone upthread mentioned that GWB wasn't leader of the Republican party and I have to agree. While I agree with everything complimentary that's been said about him and his presidency here, I must also agree with those comments that acknowledge our need for a strong party leader. While the presidential candidate isn't the party leader literally, we certainly need a Reagan-eqse figurehead. Conservatism needs to become a movement again. Much like the "movement" the OOooooobama created. (We're going to need Malox for it but I digress)

We need someone who can resonate with the fickle, ADD, ipod worshipping, American Idol masses. Sorry, but that's reality. We need to do a complete postmortem on this election and both campaigns and take away the object lessons staring us in the face.

And while you're pondering that, ask yourself who the head of the RNC is? Anyone know? How many of these guys do you know? How many have Rove/Newt/Palin/Steele/Jindal appeal and recognition?

http://www.gop.com/About/PartyLeadership.htm

Where the hell is my party?!?!?!?!?!  :thatsright:

Check out Chairman Duncan's blog:

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I spoke on how America has finally realized a vision of a color-blind society that was first inspired the Republican Party into being on the eve of Abraham Lincoln’s 200th birthday.  I noted that our vice-presidential nominee – Sarah Palin – received more votes than any woman in American history.  In all, with Barack Obama’s promises to cut taxes, merit pay for public school teachers, and renewed offshore drilling, I would say he simply ran the most successful moderate Republican presidential campaign since Dwight Eisenhower. 

In reflection, what has changed since 2004 is not the national philosophy, but the national mood.  President-elect Obama leads a center-left party, but he must now govern a center-right nation.
WTF is that???

And compare and contrast the DNC site. http://www.democrats.org/a/party/ourleaders.html
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Re: The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace
« Reply #55 on: November 08, 2008, 11:54:46 AM »
You have no use for GWB?   Slap yourself,  New Hampshire is starting to seep into your brain.   Just say no to that crap Sparky.  

In so many words, no, I don't.  Again, Bush had more than ample opportunities to use the Bully Pulpit and to actually GOVERN as a conservative, but time and again, "reached across the aisle" for stupid ideas such as NCLB, the bailout, etc., to name a few.

NH is NOT "seeping" anywhere, and for someone from Massivetwoshits to lecture ME about conservatism is frankly, quite laughable.  I've grown tired of the moderate "mushy middle" RINO's like the GOP leadership in this state.  I've publicly called for the ouster of Fergus Cullen and the rest of the state GOP leadership on several occasions on this and other boards.

NH is a microcosm, but shows the same problems the national GOP has--for too long they've sat back and simply assumed the base would be there regardless of who they ran.  2008 is just one more example of it.  What we (you in MA, me here, everyone wherever they live) need to do is to start at their local and state levels and DEMAND that we become a conservative party again.  I don't know how many times I was in the local office talking to folks WORKING there and visiting to pick up materials who said they were more conservative, less Republican.

We are a party who has lost its way, who in trying to create that "big tent" left the people who made the GOP great out in the cold.  The last eight years were in fact "Democrat-lite".  If a major political candidate said we needed to cut spending, minimize government, defend our interests with a strong military, etc., without sounding like a complete Ron Paul whackjob, they should get the votes.  Period.

I voted for Thompson, even though the guy looked like he never wanted to be there in the first place, and likely never did.  I looked at the entire stage of the GOP debates and he was the only one who didn't make my stomach churn for one reason or another, but the idiots up here wanted the "moderate" McCain.  Cullen bad-mouthed Thompson when he didn't suck up and declare a couple of days sooner.  For that he (Cullen) gets nothing but my scorn and derision.  Paul ****ed up the works in the primaries just enough to screw over enough people to get McCain in.

The friction between Bush and McCain was there, and it was palpable.  To have that kind of disunity in an election year is unforgiveable.  Neither one of them is worth crossing the street to piss on if they were on fire.  Neither one of them was ever, will ever be considered, as conservative in my book.  Ever.  Bush may not have been able to control the economy, but he certainly could have seen what was coming and pressured the Congressional leadership to do more about it, and failing that, sound the alarm.  None of this was done.  Couple all this with the disloyalty of the McCain staffers, the utter lack of balls on the part of RNC leadership, and the fact that they wouldn't challenge the media, they DESERVED (yes, deserved) to lose.

One bright spot out of all this, is that perhaps by 2010 and 2012, we MIGHT have found our way again.  There are several names I can think of who might be good leaders if the RNC will get off their dead asses and covet the CONSERVATIVES in this country.

Again, from the words of Reagan:

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Re: The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace
« Reply #56 on: November 08, 2008, 12:24:54 PM »
I'm sorry, you moved to NH from where again?   Save the MA bashing mmmkay? 

That is all fine and good about lobbying the RNC to be more reflective of the core party values BUT once the nominee is set then guess what -- you freakin vote for him/her, cause that is politics.

Republicans haven't lost their way, they have just been inundated with a bunch of spoiled pathetic whiners.   Whining that GWB is the reason we have Obama is what is laughable. 

Unless GWB cast a vote over fifty million times for the messiah that is...



   




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Re: The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace
« Reply #57 on: November 08, 2008, 12:55:27 PM »
I'm sorry, you moved to NH from where again?   Save the MA bashing mmmkay? 

That is all fine and good about lobbying the RNC to be more reflective of the core party values BUT once the nominee is set then guess what -- you freakin vote for him/her, cause that is politics.

Republicans haven't lost their way, they have just been inundated with a bunch of spoiled pathetic whiners.   Whining that GWB is the reason we have Obama is what is laughable. 

Unless GWB cast a vote over fifty million times for the messiah that is...



   





Orange County.  Conservative.  Won OC by a larger margin than he won most states.  I doubt Mass has as many registered Republicans in the whole state as OC alone has.

BTW--1984.  Reagan packs in 65K in Mile Square Park, quite literally a mile down the street from where I used to live.  So please, don't whine to me about conservatism.

And yes, I'll bash on the laughability of MA conservatives anytime I ****ing well feel like it, because the number of REAL conservatives in that state government can be counted on one finger.  How'd that bill to put the gay marriage bit on the ballot go, anyway?  How's the tax deal going?  Any chance of standing up to the Beacon Hill idiots?

So please, don't lecture me about conservatism when THOUSANDS of your residents move HERE every year.  I voted for McCain.  I did my part.  But the fact is we failed.  WE FAILED to get the conservative candidate in place, and that's why we lost.  If the local and state parties did their part, we'd be more than halfway there.  As it is, because of the mushy middle, we now have a Dem governor, one of two Senators Dem (and the other one going Dem in 2010), both Congresscritters Dem, and a majority Dem Senate and Legislature.  I blame the state GOP organization for not supporting these candidates.  I blame Cullen for being a mealy-mouthed little shit.  Here's what he had to say Wednesday:

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New Hampshire has clearly not become a blue state, but remains a competitive toss-up state where neither party has a built-in advantage.

BULL-****IN-SHIT.  In eight years, this went from a Republican state where Bush won to a state that has NO Republicans in the top five elected offices, no majority in the Senate, Legislature, or Executive Council, and is on the verge of sending Gregg packing in two years when Lynch runs for his seat.  Ray Buckey has sucked on the Massachusetts 'Rat cock for all he can get, and it's working.  MILLIONS is pouring into this state to turn it 'Rat.  Guess where most of that money is coming from?  Unions and Beacon Hill fatasses.

THIS, dear, is what the "moderate" GOP has done to this state.  Were we to stand up and FIGHT for conservative values and principles, we'd not be in such dire straits now.  Moderation is what gave us Obama because 1--most of the independents/moderates didn't see a difference between the GOP and Democrats, 2--a lot of the Republicans who DID see the difference stayed home--AGAIN.  And it's not just here they did it to.
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Re: The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace
« Reply #58 on: November 08, 2008, 01:59:16 PM »
I'm not the whiner.   Just so we are clear on that.   :-*

You stay home, you vote for the socialist.   You would think that would have sunk in two years ago, but apparently the whiners (who I can no longer distinguish from the la-la-libertarians these days) will continue their temper tantrum until the United States resembles the EU.   

Learning from history - not exactly a new concept. 

Oh and for the record, NH residents come down by the thousands to work in MA everyday.   The only reason why MA residents purchase homes in NH is because it is affordable.   Don't flatter youself otherwise.   NH will always be the poor red-headed step child of New England. 

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Re: The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace
« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2008, 12:06:05 AM »
Tell ya what--we'll seal up the border and see who needs who more.

I'll also be tripping the 345KV lines going from Seabrook into Mass.
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Re: The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace
« Reply #60 on: November 09, 2008, 06:25:09 AM »
Tell ya what--we'll seal up the border and see who needs who more.

I'll also be tripping the 345KV lines going from Seabrook into Mass.

Please please do.

     
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