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Kooky Creates Commotion in House
« on: January 23, 2008, 03:08:22 PM »
Oh my..........So this is what all the jabbering has been about over on Skins Island

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2751227

For your reading entertainment........

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Algorem (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-23-08 03:26 PM
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Rep. Kucinich creates commotion in House with call for impeaching President Bush
 Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 03:36 PM by Algorem
http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=8192...

Video- http://www.wkyc.com/video/player.aspx?aid=53051&bw=


Created: 1/23/2008 2:54:10 PM
Updated:1/23/2008 3:03:30 PM

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- ...

In his lengthy statement, the Ohio congressman said, "The President and Vice President lied and 4,000 of our soldiers died. The President and Vice President lied and a million innocent Iraqis died in a war that'll cost us two trillion dollars while people here in the states are losing their jobs, their health care, their homes, their dignity. Lies are weapons of mass destruction. Lies are also an impeachable offense. Monday, January 28th is the State of the Union. We already know the State of the Union, it's a lie."

After minor commotion on the floor and opposition by Republicans, the ostracized presidential candidate moved to have his words taken off the record.

Kucinich said, "I ask unanimous consent to withdraw the offending words, to the end that they be stricken from the record and that I be permitted to revise and extend my remarks for the record."

Last April and November, Kucinich almost had the house debating the impeachment of Vice President Cheney....


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Breeze54  (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 03:30 PM
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3. Maybe reminding them was enough?


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sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 03:36 PM
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10. Someone is trying to gag Dennis. n/t

 
yeah...........that's why he asked for the remarks to be stricken.

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Breeze54  (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 03:29 PM
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2. He had his say... Go Kucinich!


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leftofthedial (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-23-08 03:30 PM
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4. we can't have truth leaking out on the floors of congress
 after all!
 

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sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 03:31 PM
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5. Thank you! I've been looking for this all over!


Since this morning they have all been scurrying like vermin, trying to find this

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livetohike  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-23-08 03:31 PM
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6. Why do our elected officials deny the truth?
 Go Dennis! The only one with guts.


The only one............well besides all of DU that haven't figured out that Lucy will never let Charlie Brown kick the ball.

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sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 03:35 PM
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8. I'm thinking that Dennis got a phone call from the leadership
 and he was told to withdraw his comments.

He's up for re-election and has been said to be having trouble.

I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT THIS MAN IS BEING SHUT UP.


Oh if we could only figure out how to make you shut up................then again, it would be a great denial of our humor.

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Sentinel Chicken  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-23-08 03:42 PM
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12. They can't handle the truth.
 We need Dennis on that wall, we want Dennis on that wall!


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LakeSamish706  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-23-08 03:31 PM
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7. Dennis has more balls than all of the other Congress Critters put together...
 This needed to be said and he said it... I love the guy and sure wish he had a chance to win.


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ayeshahaqqiqa  (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 03:44 PM
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14. Kucinich speaks the truth
 and he's introducing articles of impeachment against Bush the day of the State of the Union.


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Bonhomme Richard  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-23-08 03:47 PM
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16. It needs to be said and it needs to be IN THE RECORD.
 What a bunch of crap or maybe I just don't understand politics but I think it needs to be in the record if only so future Americans can note that some brave souls did try to prevent the aberration this nation will become


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Strawman  (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 03:53 PM
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17. Sounds like a parliamentary move
 Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 03:55 PM by Strawman
According to House Rules:

"C. Conduct During Debate:


Words Taken Down: A Member should avoid impugning the motives of another Member, the Senate, the Vice President or the President, using offensive language, or uttering words that are otherwise deemed unparliamentary. These actions are strictly against the standing Rules of the House and are subject to a point of order. This is made by a Member "demanding that the gentleman's (or gentlewoman's) words be taken down." If this happens in the Committee of the Whole, the Committee of the Whole rises and the Speaker must return to the Chair and rule on the propriety of the words used. In the case of remarks regarding the Senate and the President, the Chair may take the initiative and admonish Members for unparliamentary references.

Often the offending Member obtains unanimous consent to withdraw the inappropriate words or the demand is withdrawn before the Speaker rules and then the Member proceeds in order. However, if the Member's words are ruled out of order, they may be stricken from the Congressional Record by motion or unanimous consent, and the Member will not be allowed to speak again on that day except by motion or unanimous consent (clause 4 of Rule XVII). "

Maybe that was his way of calling them liars in the floor of the House while remainign within the rules of appropriate conduct. In any case he said what he meant to say and everyone knows he meant it, retraction or not. Good for him
.
 
They will never understand that whole thing about breaking of the laws and such. Then again, I enjoy the entertainment factor to much.






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Re: Kooky Creates Commotion in House
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2008, 03:34:42 PM »
Threads are popping up everywhere over there right now about this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2751387

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sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 03:43 PM
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So, today Dennis withdrew his right on comments that Bush/Cheney lied
 us into war. He said it during his one minute speech. There's a link to the video here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I've never seen him do such a thing. What is going on? Thoughts?

How can we support him?

Here's his contact information:

Washington Office

2445 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC 20515

Phone (202)225-5871
Fax (202)225-5745

We cannot, imo, allow Dennis to be silenced. What can we do?

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BuyingThyme  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-23-08 03:47 PM
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1. I don't think you understand.
 Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 03:49 PM by BuyingThyme
It looks like he took down his words because he broke the rules.

ON EDIT: You're not supposed to use words like lie and chimp when speaking of the Lying Chimp from the floor.

 
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sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 03:51 PM
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4. Oh, I understand that. That part is easy.
 We can't have rule breakers speak out against Constitution demolishers.
 

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bananas  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-23-08 03:48 PM
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2. Exactly what was withdrawn?
 That video clip is edited - can't tell what was objected to, and what was withdrawn.

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sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 03:52 PM
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6. He called Bush/Cheney liars, correctly. Per House rules
 that accusation, however accurate, had to be withdrawn as I understand it.


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sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 03:58 PM
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14. We wouldn't want to OFFEND anyone with the truth!


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IDemo (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 03:50 PM
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3. He made his point. Whether or not it is in the "official" record is moot.
 Had he not moved to withdraw his remarks, I'm sure we would have seen most Dems joining repukes in demanding a censure


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sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 03:53 PM
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8. F#ck that. I think we should call him in support.
 Ever notice how the "rules" are only invoked when the truth is inconvenient?

(I don't even want to think about how many Dems would move to censure. It's just too awful.)


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OPERATIONMINDCRIME  (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 03:56 PM
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11. My Thoughts Are That He Did The Right Thing.
 The rules on the floor exist for a reason.


Thank you OMC for having a level head.

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Strawman  (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 03:59 PM
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15. He said his peace while remaining within the Rules of Conduct
 Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 04:00 PM by Strawman
By formally retracting them. There are rules that govern speech on the floor of the House. He can call them liars, ****wads, assholes and anything else off the floor and off the Congressional Record.


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sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 04:03 PM
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17. You know, I understand that the retraction doesn't erase the statement.
 But, it is still important.

Public gestures matter.

Having no support from your party matters.

Rewriting the truth matters.

I want that IN the Congressional Record so when my kids ask what I did to prevent the hell they have to deal with, I can show them
.

Excuse me.................what the hell did you do today??

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sfexpat2000  (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 04:13 PM
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21. No. It's a public gesture that re-enforces the national delusion. 
 The Republics captured our media because they understood the importance of public gestures. 


I must ask................exactly what is stuck in her ass??

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AndyA  (1000+ posts)       Wed Jan-23-08 04:27 PM
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23. K & R. 
 Sending good thoughts to Dennis Kucinich. He is a big man to undertake that which no one else dare touch.


Maybe some white light or pictures of hands would help......



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