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Back door route to conviction in the Senate?
« on: October 02, 2019, 05:37:37 PM »
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Back door route to conviction in the Senate?

The assumption is that it will take 67 votes to convict in a Senate impeachment trial. And if it is assumed that all 45 Democrats and the two independents in the Senate vote for conviction, 20 Repubs would have to join them.

But the Constitution doesn't require 2/3 of all Senators. It requires 2/3 of "the members present". Thus, for every member that stays away from the Senate on the day impeachment is voted upon, the number of votes needed to convict declines. To give an extreme example: if 18 of the 53 republicans didn't show up, leaving 82 members "present", only 55 votes would be needed to convict. Meaning only 8 of the remaining 35 republicans would have to join with the 47 Dems/Independents.

Is this likely to happen? No. But it's interesting to consider the possibility that some republicans might decide that not voting either way is better than voting for or against.

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1. Hmmm....

Like last month when NC Dems went to a 911 event and the Republicans passed a bunch of sheet.....

Oh... another leftist lie about shit that didn't happen...

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4. There's another possibility

If a GOP'er is not particularly inclined to go against Trump in the Senate, they can show up, vote "Present", and still keep the 2/3rds quorum up.

However, unless 20 GOP'ers agree to vote to convict, it ain't gonna happen. I doubt we will get any more than Murkowski and maybe Collins.

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didn't vote at all: That way, they get the monster out of the way for the 2020 election, but don't piss off their own voters.

If they did there really would be blood in the streets.
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Re: Back door route to conviction in the Senate?
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2019, 06:20:29 PM »
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Back door route to conviction in the Senate?

The assumption is that it will take 67 votes to convict in a Senate impeachment trial. And if it is assumed that all 45 Democrats and the two independents in the Senate vote for conviction, 20 Repubs would have to join them.

But the Constitution doesn't require 2/3 of all Senators. It requires 2/3 of "the members present". Thus, for every member that stays away from the Senate on the day impeachment is voted upon, the number of votes needed to convict declines. To give an extreme example: if 18 of the 53 republicans didn't show up, leaving 82 members "present", only 55 votes would be needed to convict. Meaning only 8 of the remaining 35 republicans would have to join with the 47 Dems/Independents.

Is this likely to happen? No. But it's interesting to consider the possibility that some republicans might decide that not voting either way is better than voting for or against.

Back door route? Never heard of it.
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Re: Back door route to conviction in the Senate?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2019, 06:24:37 PM »
"Back door route to conviction"

Shouldn't this suggestion be in their LBGTIWNPSWXYZ forum?

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Re: Back door route to conviction in the Senate?
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2019, 04:42:14 AM »
How's about this for a back door route to conviction.

First, the President could commit an impeachable offence.
Second, the House could indict him.
Third, the Senate could find him guilty.

Seems to me that this is how it's supposed to work...the only problem is that the first condition hasn't been met during the current administration.