Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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@AOC
At this point, the bigger national scandal isn’t the president’s lawbreaking behavior - it is the Democratic Party’s refusal to impeach him for it.
DUmpmonkiez going nutz over latest fake news...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212484672For a really good take on what is really happening check out Tim Pool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSt7iXWsoMIBUT, anyway... 300 comments about this one thread...
Star Member Skittles (123,309 posts)
1. it's becoming a bad joke now
I know... the left and the DNC are huge jokes.
triron (14,466 posts)
26. AOC For speaker.
Star Member Chemisse (28,523 posts)
261. Fearless and somewhat foolish.
Right now she is an activist, not a politician. This is satisfying for those of us who would like action right now (and really, who here wouldn't?). But playing the rebel in her own House is somewhat destructive and derailing. She has the inside track; why not work there?
She will be an amazing politician in another 10 years once she has a little more wisdom and self-control.
Star Member rampartc (1,912 posts)
6. she is right, you know
we have a responsibility to the nation and its people.
Star Member StarfishSaver (4,717 posts)
8. No, the fact that the House hasn't impeached him yet ISN'T a bigger scandal than Trump's behavior
Not even close.
She's new to Congress, but she's been there long enough to understand how many votes are needed to make something happen. Maybe, instead of publicly attacking her own party (or even just in addition to it), she could help rustle up some more votes for impeachment?
Doremus (6,040 posts)
28. The more sunlight focused on these crimes the more public outcry.
It used to be that public outcry swayed congress. Perhaps it still will. One thing is for sure, inaction will sway no one and guarantee status quo.
History is going to show that AOC was one of a very few who had the cajones to speak truth to power in this troubled era.
Star Member democrank (9,337 posts)
62. No.
History will harshly judge the politicians who allowed this to happen. Their cowardice will be examined and the results of their cowardice will be written about for a very long time.
Donald Trump poses an immediate danger to this country, this world. He must be stopped, whether or not that fits into an individual politician’s career plan.
SMC22307 (4,810 posts)
141. She's receiving death threats for "talking smack" on Twitter.
No one on DU is a U.S, Congresswoman, as far as I know. AOC's tweets are far-reaching; DU plays to its own audience.
Focus on why Pelosi isn't doing the right thing... that's what's really curious in all of this. Republicans are kicking sand in our faces and Democrats are FED UP.
Star Member StarfishSaver (4,717 posts)
102. I doubt her tweet has gotten one single more person to support impeachment
Members of Congress don't tweet at each other to communicate. They go down the hall or walk across the House floor and talk to each other. Insulting her colleagues on Twitter is a showboat move great for showing off for her fans. Anybody with a Twitter account and followers can do that. But as a sitting Member of Congress, she has something most tweeters don't have - Direct access to and influence with her colleagues.
But using that isn't easy. She would have to engage in a conversation, listen as much as she talks, respond thoughtfully to their position and perspective. She wouldn't have the nerve to talk about them to their face in the insulting way she talks about them from the safety of Twitter.
But, instead of having rational conversations intended to persuade her colleagues, she takes to Twitter to mock and insult them.
Lots goes on behind the scenes that we're not aware of, so it's possible that she actually is having these conversations. But given her public tantrums and smack-talking, I doubt it. It sounds much more like she:s not ready to do or not interested in doing the work involved in doing part of a Member's job so, instead, she'd taking the easy way out and throwing red meat to her fans.
Arazi (3,538 posts)
119. Your hatred for her isn't very subtle... AOC has "public tantrums"
You freely admit you know nothing about what she's doing daily so you just decide it's got to be nothing but tweeting and mocking, insulting and showboating, smack talking and throwing red meat to her fans
UniteFightBack (4,915 posts)
13. The FACTS aren't even OUT YET. Maybe she should join another party if she's so displeased. nt
TCJ70 (4,145 posts)
124. What? They definitely are:
- Trump has, or has tried, to work with two foreign governments to undermine our elections
- Trump has modified official reports to his benefit, sometimes with sharpies
- Trump obstructed justice repeatedly during every investigation into him
- Trump incites violence
There are PLENTY of facts.
Star Member yuiyoshida (29,140 posts)
17. Republicans certainly won't impeach him...
Infact, they will toast him, and call him ****ING Brilliant for blowing up the halls of Government. Bastard! Mitch McConnell is ****ing Asshole as well.
betsuni (10,866 posts)
18. "refusal"
So the votes to impeachment are there, there's evidence against Trump that even Republicans can't ignore, the Congressional investigation into impeachment is over but Democrats still refuse to impeach?
Is that what happened? Really?
Fiendish Thingy (2,594 posts)
22. A patriot speaking truth to cowards nt
xmas74 (27,386 posts)
75. The House is close
But it'll never make it to the Senate floor and could rally his base to action in 2020.
Personally, I think we focus on 2020. We focus on not just the WH but key Senate races. If we lose the WH but pick up enough Senate seats impeachment is feasible. If he loses the WH in 2020 throw him to the dogs. Let the states pick up the trash. It seems like NY is steadily building a nice case against him and that's a state where I don't think he could weasel out of it.
Star Member Hermit-The-Prog (8,229 posts)
79. remember voter suppression and electronic voting machines and foreign interference?
Think those have become less efficient over the years?
CarlitosMMT (27 posts)
63. To clarify Constitutional procedure and basic logic
Since there are so many that appear to be confused
It takes a simple majority in the House of present members to vote to impeach.
The Dems have a majority in House and therefore the votes to impeach.
The Senate then tries the Impeached with CJSCOTUS presiding (in case of the impeachment of POTUS). The House serves as the prosecution, and are referred to as managers. 2/3 Majority of members present is required to convict.
According to some, Dems shouldn’t impeach because Senate math is bad. Extending that to its logical conclusion, Dems shouldn’t pass any House legislation not likely to pass the Senate, let alone be signed by POTUS. That’s a terrible opinion that relegates the Dems to a junior or sub party status. I will change my voter registration to BURN IT ALL DOWN if that’s the prevailing view.
A lot of legislation Pelosi has allowed and supports doesn’t meet this Senate math test. But her argument is that impeachment is especially divisive (with the implication that it could backfire).
So the people against impeachment either believe Trump hasn’t done anything to be impeached and/or that failure to convict would help him politically.
Looking at the evidence (Mueller report and beyond including his trade deficit terrorism and temperament of decision-making) and likely evidence (tax returns, IC whistleblower), it would take an especially perverted and mentally deranged populace for a failed conviction bid to help Trump politically (that would mean a deeply cynical view of the American people). We really need to stockpile guns and ammunition if this view is accurate (Sorry Beto and Parkland kids).
So if you are a Dem that’s scared to impeach because of the political risks, it is better to do impeachment sooner rather than later. But if you are not scared per se but want impeachment to have the maximum political impact (like on Senate races), closer to 2020 elections is better than sooner.
The assumption is that Pelosi is in the latter camp but she has publicized the former view and we don’t know where she stands nor understand her strategy and it would appear that neither do House members. Some believe she has signaled that she wants to be pushed by her caucus to impeachment so it’s not “Pelosi’s impeachment of Trump” and she’s seen as doing what’s best for the country (further strengthening the case for conviction).
As the de-facto leader of the Dems, the Speaker must do better.
Star Member malaise (195,674 posts)
101. Sorry AOC you're wrong this time n/t
Gore1FL (16,573 posts)
108. She's right.
Until we stop cowering, we are worthless.
beachbumbob (1,511 posts)
187. Not close to the biggest scandal..name a trump admin official,
any official that's been held accountable since Jan 2019?
Barr has lied
DeVoss has lied
Admin officials have ignored subpoenas
Who has been held accountable? Who been held in contempt? Fined? Held?
Star Member Chemisse (28,523 posts)
260. Coercing a foreign government to get reelected is a far greater scandal than not impeaching.
Her comment is disingenuous, but I see the point she is trying to make.
She might want to wrestle control over her impulsivity though. The whole story is not out yet. She should hold the outrage for a week and see how things develop with this new crime. It could finally be the turning point!
Wait for all the shit on Biden to come out...
