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Offline Ralph Wiggum

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A quiet, respectful Bouncy
« on: September 15, 2019, 09:31:10 PM »
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Talked with a farmer friend the other day...
We met going opposite ways on a country road. Stopped and chatted for a while.
A few pleasantries then he starts on "socialism."
I explained democratic socialism is not the Soviet socialism of old, or that the state controls the means of production, etc., etc...
I pointed out he was in fact driving on democratic socialism (taxpayer funded public roadway) at this very moment.
I wanted to point out that I know for a fact he has personally received over a quarter-million dollars in farm subsidies over the years (also democratic socialism.) But, not wanting to get into a heated argument, I said nothing.
Do I believe our conversation got him rethinking his views about democratic socialism?
I don't know. But I do believe it's these quiet, respectful conversations between friends that will change minds.

Stupid analogy regarding the roads for the 9,000th time.  Conservatives aren't against taxes for the public good, such as roads, police, and firefighters.  Just rampant government spending and control.

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Re: A quiet, respectful Bouncy
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2019, 10:50:25 PM »
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I pointed out he was in fact driving on democratic socialism (taxpayer funded public roadway) at this very moment.

So using this "logic" Saddam Hussein was a socialist because Iraq had public roads when he was in charge.
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Re: A quiet, respectful Bouncy
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2019, 10:54:30 PM »
Here is where I run up the flag
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But, not wanting to get into a heated argument, I said nothing.
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You little smarmy primitives rely on screaming and yelling.


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Re: A quiet, respectful Bouncy
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2019, 06:21:51 AM »
Of all people/professions, an informed farmer is one of the least likely to be susceptible to the "they just didn't do it right" argument. USSR ... China ... North Korea ... Cuba ... Ethiopia ... Zimbabwe ... Venezuela ... different versions of socialism, same super-oppression of farmers and consequent food scarcity and starvation.
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Re: A quiet, respectful Bouncy
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2019, 08:42:07 AM »
Quote from: DUmpDiver on September 15, 2019, 10:50:25 PM
So using this "logic" Saddam Hussein was a socialist because Iraq had public roads when he was in charge.
So did Hitler.
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Re: A quiet, respectful Bouncy
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2019, 06:44:05 PM »
Marx didn't do it right.
Lenin didn't do it right.
Stalin didn't do it right.
Hitler didn't do it right.
Mao didn't do it right.
Kruchev didn't do it right.
Breshnev didn't do it right.
Castro didn't do it right.
Kim Il-sung didn't do it right.
Pol Pot Kim Jong-un.
Allende didn't do it right.
Ho Chi Min didn't do it right.
Chavez didn't do it right.
Madurro didn't do it right.

Who did do communism/socialism/fascism/progressivisism right?

Nobody because communism/socialism/fascism/progressivisism is wrong at its roots.
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