edhopper (22,309 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212053078
If the Congress does not impeach, voters will think he is innocent
No one will recall the details of the Mueller report in 2020.
Mueller decided not to indict, either on his own or under the guidence of Rosenstein.
Who we now know was working on behalf of Trump.
If Congress does not impeach, it will appear he did nothing wrong to the voters.
And he will have a clearer path to win.
For Congress to now avoid their responsiblity and think the voters will act as a thoughtful jury on Trump is foolhardy.
Yes even if the Senate won't convict.
he did nothing wrong...
olegramps (6,997 posts)
31. I am going to allow the cards to be played. We might be facing a far more serious problem.
If Trump is defeated, he may very well not release the reins of power in a peaceful transition. It is conceivable that he will reject the results and claim that the election was rigged. He prepared to make that claim in the 2016 election and even continues to claim that he didn't loss the popular vote because the results were rigged. I think it will up to that our elected representatives, however, it will be up to the Democrats to resist.
The Republicans representatives have demonstrated that they won't challenge Trump and his rabid constituency. I believe that it is fair and indeed necessary that our candidates express throughout the election the indispensability for a honorable transition as a warning of the possibility of Trump instigating resistance. We are not dealing with an honorable man, but a liar with a gangster mentality whose is demonstrably mentally deranged. He doesn't have honest bone in his body and has the same egomaniacal personality as some of the most destructive people in history. This is a man cut from the same rotten bolt of cloth as Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin who were amoral bastards who would stoop to the any means to dominate. The nation could be in for a tumultuous era. We are experiencing a massive transition throughout society. The rise of authoritarianism is gaining ground throughout Europe and Asia as the world struggles to cope with globalization and automation that is decimating low skill jobs.
Demagogues are finding a fertile ground in which the prey on ignorance and prejudices and offer up scapegoats. Rather than working to provide solutions, Trump has actively embraced the worse if the authoritarian leaders while attacking our allies who are supporters of democratic principles. It is easier to sell false promises than to provide difficult but effective solutions and during such times of transition to desperate people are prone to sacrifice hard won freedoms for a false promise.
oh, yessss... the DUmpmonkiez already know they are gonna lose big in 2020 and already are coming up with the excuses...
Star Member watoos (5,123 posts)
3. To impeach or not, should not be a political decision. The House needs to fulfill its Constitutional responsibility.
Rosenstein was a wimp who joined team Trump. Mueller underestimated the lengths that Republicans will go to undermine our democracy. Mueller isn't known for his public speaking, but he needs to think long and hard about what he is going to say to Congress but more importantly what he is going to say to the American people.
Think back to when Colin Powell spoke before the U.N. about mushroom clouds. Colin Powell was one of the people in the Bush administration who was respected by everyone. He let the world down when he gave that speech.
It's time for Robert Mueller to give his speech, hopefully he will not follow in Powell's footsteps.
Star Member DownriverDem (2,464 posts)
28. About the Senate
The Senate won't find trump not guilty. The current Senate will vote to not even try trump. That's what happened with Bill Clinton.
Star Member watoos (5,123 posts)
34. Lay out what evidence?
Trumpocalypse (3,252 posts)
47. The evidence of Trump’s crimes.
Star Member ancianita (9,212 posts)
22. People will see for themselves better with ALL the evidence laid bare through impeachment.
Uncensored evidence through the House impeachment process provides us a better "seeing" than a redacted report.
Not all voters see the redacted version as a document to distrust.
But. Those who do are being spun.
The redacted report is already being "spun" as a failed coup report. Media will hammer away at that spin.
The political spinning of what we already know must not stand.
Spinning must be disproved. Unequivocally.
That simple.
StarfishSaver (109 posts)
68. The evidence can and should be "laid bare" before impeachment, not gathered in an impeachment inquiry. That's the best chance of not only for building support for impeachment but also possibly getting enough votes in the Senate to remove him - or at least make it close enough that it's clear he is unfit for office.
Star Member Laura PourMeADrink (26,009 posts)
16. When the hell is justice kicking in? Tired of waiting for this brilliant three dimensional chess
move. It’s a policy of caution that’s like taking a knife to a gunfight. Discouraging to the nth degree.
What you say is spot on. On the day the redacted report came out, a strategist said we
needed to strike FAST for maximum impact. Every day we wait disconnects us from the report.
And he knows that. He is emboldened. We are not dealing with a normal person who changes behavior when they see danger ahead.
What is the status of getting the unredacted report and tax returns anyway?
moonseller66 (194 posts)
20. Are we that worried about the "people"?
If the majority of the "people" who claim to be undecideds (let's face it, they are undecided because they're too lazy, too apathetic or too stupid to follow or even TRY to understand what's happening to them and the nation with this administration) then they need to be enlightened!
Impeachment hearings will take information to the "undecideds" if only through spotlight 6 o'clock news media circus coverage and hopefully Democratic Ads, pressure and mailings to inform them.
As to the "undecideds" have you ever NOT heard of or from an Undecided NOT complain about how government is run or taxes are too high or prices or health care are too high or myriad other little "inconveniences" they have no idea they can help prevent, yet bitch about?
Impeachment hearings will open many eyes if only because of the grudging coverage by the media.
Investigations only by the House will go largely unnoticed because...the MSM and their bosses.
The "undecideds" must be informed how keeping this POS will affect them and their children regardless of how many are really left over yuppies, yippies, hippies, rednecks et. al. who have been fortunate enough to be born white and at least semi-affluent or moderately financially comfortable (or at least think they are or were).
Impeach and let the people know what's going on. If we don't, do you really think the MSM will cover "investigations" by a "partisan" House of Democrats (not with the actions of the Trump BS machine and Facebook and Twitter)?
Star Member Roy Rolling (3,450 posts)
30. Impeachment is a Journey, not a destination
The (unnamed) impeachment subpoenas and hearings have begun, part of an impeachment investigation. Shhh
Who cares what the Senate does later? I don't. Start dragging the corrupt Republicans through the mud now and see how clean they look to voters in 2020.
Basically, the DUmpmonkiez want to arrest people, throw them into jail, then investigate them during the trial to figure out what the crimes were...
Star Member Takket (8,508 posts)
61. i really don't know what leg the Dems have to stand on if they don't impech......
What are they supposed to say about drumpf and russia? What are the supposed to say if there are warning signs russia is going to tamper with 2020? (AND THEY WILL)
"Hey guys! Russia is at it again!"
"At what? That thing you didn't even impeach the president over? you had the mueller report and couldn't come with a reason to impeach so why should we believe there is anything wrong now?"
