DUmmies admit democrats are criminals and don't pay their bills ...

[Texacon]

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212045580

applegrove (86,473 posts)


Oh Florida!

 

Debbie Wasserman Schultz
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@DWStweets
 This is a poll tax.

Sam Levine
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@srl
Breaking news: The Florida House passed legislation that would require people to pay financial obligations as part of their criminal sentence before they can vote again. Bill requires repayment, even if obligation has been converted to a civil lien. The vote was 71-45

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ProudLib72 (15,079 posts)

1. It looks like everyone in Florida just needs to stop voting


Debbie Wasserman Schultz
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 This is a poll tax.


Lynn⭐️⭐️⭐️Doles
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This won’t mean much. I worked PreRelease in prison and inmates about to leave could care less about voting.
However, makes it hard for Democrats to use ex felons in election fraud 😉.

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Derrrrrp a derrrp! I r Flurida!

Takket (8,493 posts)

5. once again, elections have consequences......

they voted for voting rights to be restored AND a rethug governor who will sign this into law...............

so much for those million new voters we were hoping would help swing 2020.

mitch96 (2,812 posts)

8. Florida legislators can't win fair and square

So they pull every scam they can to stop the democrat's voting..
A pole tax by any other name is still charging someone to vote.
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Funny how they don't think people should pay for anything.  Not even criminals.

KC

[Texacon]

Marble Falls didn't want to be outdone ...  Started his own thread about this and shows his ignorance.

marble falls (22,103 posts)


Florida House Approves Requiring People To Repay Criminal Fines, Fees Before They Can Vote

 

Florida House Approves Requiring People To Repay Criminal Fines, Fees Before They Can Vote

Critics say the legislation amounts to a poll tax and violates a constitutional amendment that voters overwhelmingly approved in November to allow people with felonies to vote.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/florida-felon-disenfranchisement-poll-tax_n_5cc1106ae4b01b6b3efc6ebe

By Sam Levine

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The Florida House approved a controversial measure Wednesday requiring people with felony convictions to pay all financial requirements of their sentence before they can vote again.

The legislation comes after Florida voters overwhelmingly approved a constitutional amendment in November to repeal the state’s lifetime voting ban for people with felony convictions. Now, people with felonies can vote once they have completed their sentence, including probation and parole. The constitutional amendment exempts people convicted of murder and felony sexual offenses from having their voting rights restored. Its passage was heralded as an enormous step forward for Florida and could affect up to 1.4 million people.

The groups that backed the amendment strongly opposed the measure the Florida House approved 71-45 along party lines Wednesday. Many people in the criminal justice system accumulate huge fines and fees, and requiring people to pay those sums before they can vote will effectively continue to disenfranchise people with felony convictions.

The state House bill would require people to repay any restitution, in addition to fines and fees ordered by a judge ― even if those obligations are converted to a civil lien. The bill does not require payment of fines and fees not imposed as part of a judge’s sentence in order to vote.

Supporters of November’s amendment that repealed felony voting prohibitions say it is acceptable to require people to pay restitution ordered by a judge or fines and fees that are part of a sentence. But they say the amendment does not allow the state to require fines and fees on top of that before they can vote. They also say that people whose legal financial obligations are converted to liens because they can’t pay them should be able to vote.

“Today’s partisan vote in the House represented a failure to live up to the bipartisan commitment Florida voters showed with the passage of Amendment 4,” Neil Volz, the political director of the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition, the main group that pushed for passage of the constitutional amendment, said in a statement.
Neil Volz, political director of the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition, opposed the measure passed in the Florida House
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Kara Gross, the legislative director of the ACLU of Florida, which strongly opposed the measure, said it was obvious the bill was contrary to what voters intended with the constitutional amendment.

“Disturbingly, this legislation will cause defacto lifetime disenfranchisement for large swaths of formerly incarcerated individuals who have completed their sentences — precisely the opposite of the entire purpose of Amendment 4,” Gross said in a statement. “This bill merely replaces one unjust system for another.”

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Its a poll tax because its meant to keep a class of people from the polls. It doesn't require non felons to have paid up traffic tickets or other civil fines and fees like child support paid up to be able to vote.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212046030

marble falls, you do realize those people didn't lose their right to vote in the first place, right?  It's FELONS who lose their voting rights and the state of Florida simply wants them to finish their sentence before restoring those rights.  Part of their sentence is repaying the state and paying fines.  You have a problem with criminals democrats doing what the courts ordered as part of their sentence?  Are you a thug hugger?

KC

[SVPete]

IIRC - I'm not a Floridian - didn't that initiative require felons wanting to vote to have satisfied their full sentence or sentence plus probation? A sentence that included fines and (possibly) restitution? If so, then this bill made explicit what voters already enacted (and maybe closed a loophole).

[Texacon]

New DUmmie doesn't understand the rules ...

ScratchCat (533 posts)

6. Ehh..

Its a poll tax because its meant to keep a class of people from the polls. It doesn't require non felons to have paid up traffic tickets or other civil fines and fees like child support paid up to be able to vote.

People don't lose their right to vote because of child support or traffic tickets. You lose your right due to a felony conviction.

No court will rule this is a poll tax. The article is written poorly. There are no other fines added on top of restitution and court costs. Converting those costs to a civil lien does not change the fact that they were part of the sentence for a felony conviction.

I voted in favor of this, but this should have been expected as the amendment said that all terms of the sentence had to be satisfied.

KC

[Texacon]

IIRC - I'm not a Floridian - didn't that initiative require felons wanting to vote to have satisfied their full sentence or sentence plus probation? A sentence that included fines and (possibly) restitution? If so, then this bill made explicit what voters already enacted (and maybe closed a loophole).

Yes sir, you are correct.  The restitution and fines were part of the sentence and are turned into civil liens when the felon is released.  This has the DUmmies panties in a twist.

KC

[FiddyBeowulf]

What prevents a released felon who did not their criminal fines from casting a vote? Does their ID say "Not allowed to vote"?

[Texacon]

What prevents a released felon who did not their criminal fines from casting a vote? Does their ID say "Not allowed to vote"?

I would suspect they would not be allowed to register, but that's a good question.

KC

[DLR Pyro]

I would suspect they would not be allowed to register, but that's a good question.

KC

they would demand a provisional ballot and scream about voter suppression.....

[Old n Grumpy]

Paying your dues is a racist republican conspiracy to keep scum bags that have caused others misery from enjoying all the rights non criminals enjoy.