What percentage of the vote would Trump get in 2020 if he was impeached in the H

[dutch508]

kentuck (90,767 posts)
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What percentage of the vote would Trump get in 2020 if he was impeached in the House?
How much would he increase his present 40-45%?

Would that be enough to change the outcome of the election in 2020?

How many people would be so pissed off that they would vote for Trump just for spite?

Would it be so disastrous that he would win in a landslide?

I'm curious to how people think this would change the next election?

Is it too much of a gamble to take?

 

Star Member Lochloosa (12,462 posts)

1. Clinton's approval jumped into the 60's.

You are only going to get one bite of that apple. You better be able to convict him. And that ain't happening.

 

Star Member Butterflylady (771 posts)

29. People liked Clinton

Their is no comparison there, so no his numbers would not climb.

 

diva77 (3,713 posts)

4. Exactly. Dump commits impeachable offenses by the hour and has done so since squatting in the oval office.

 

Star Member hedda_foil (13,011 posts)

12. Clinton was impeached for lying about consensual sex. Americans saw it as unfair.

If the tangerine fiend is impeached it will be for multiple violations of his oath of office AT A MINIMUM. His misdeeds will be laid on the line before the American people. It would kill him with the middle of the road voters and show the Republicans in Congress for the hypocrites they are. It is completely different from Clinton and would elect Dems across the board by huge majorities by showing them as upholding the Constitution instead of being wimps. Otherwise it's all just political posturing as far as the middle is concerned and beyond disappointing cowardice to our base.

 

Star Member uponit7771 (53,393 posts)

18. *** RED DON WILL NEVER EVER EVER BE AS POPULAR WITH DEMOCRATS AS CLINTON WAS WITH REPUBLICANS***

The "don't impeach him now" shtick is worn at best

 

sarisataka (9,582 posts)

11. It would be a huge gamble

Can we get the votes in the House for impeachment? Absolutely
Will there be enough overwhelming evidence so enough Republicans in the Senate vote to convict that he is removed from office? The odds are infinitesimal

The question then is how would that affect the 2020 election?

My opinion, based on nothing more than gut feeling, is that a motivated Republican base would outnumber demoralized Democrats enough that they would win the Presidency both in popular vote and Electoral. I suspect it would carry over into Congress so they would gain in the Senate and retake a slim majority in the House.

Impeachment would make a strong statement but have major repercussions for the next 2-4 years IMO.

Star Member hedda_foil (13,011 posts)

13. Dems would rather have a strong statement and would turn out in droves.

Democratic cowardice in the face of evil will disillusion Dems and show our politicians as cowards who will blather about values but not follow throug.

kentuck (90,767 posts)

15. Where do you think he might get the votes?

Or where will the Democrats lose the votes?

I am trying to think of this realistically. I do not see Republicans rushing to defend Trump, the criminal. And I do not see Democrats sitting out the election just because Republicans refuse to convict?

Where are these votes going to come from?

Star Member GulfCoast66 (6,512 posts)

16. Well, the same ones that elected him in 16.

I saw this play out in Florida last year.

We nominated a candidate who perfectly fit our base and could have won the general. But Bernie Sanders held a much publicized rally for him and he was tagged as a socialist from then on. And to win the primary, he of course embraced it. Ironically, that was not needed at all.

Gwen Graham, in my opinion, would have won the general. Of course, that is just my opinion. As would Gillum had he publicly rejected the support of a self avowed Socialist. I say this as s Social Democrat. But I have been in Florida for 32 years

And I think this is a reflection of the Democratic base nationwide. I fear we support things many Americans don’t, and will nominate a candidate who reflects our views, but can’t get elected.

In my opinion, which may be wrong, if we elect a candidate that supports a system that destroys employer-based healthcare, we will lose horribly. And right now it seems that supporting Medicare for all is a requirement.

Star Member uponit7771 (53,393 posts)

23. This is false on its face, it wont even increase the chances seeing Red Don is unpopular with Indies

... and democrats and Clinton was neither for those two groups.

 

Rstrstx (716 posts)

17. The one reason to start impeachment proceedings is to get the Mueller report

If William Barr won't let Congress see it then let the games begin.

From the tone of Barr's first letter it almost sounded like Mueller was trying to hint that his report was meant more for Congress to take up Trump's potential misdoings instead of using the court system. I wish the House would quit dilly-dallying and playing footsies with Barr, he's a useless hack, and get Mueller in there to testify.

If the House gets the full Mueller report or Mueller himself says there's not much there then forget about impeachment, it would look political, the Senate would fail to convict and Trump would take it as total exoneration.

So if that's the case, it'd be better to just keep up the drumbeat of corruption and wrongdoings coming out of the other committees and keep the drip drip drip scandals going. If the Republicans whine and complain we have a one-word response: "Benghazi". Payback's a bitch. Between that and SDNY and a few whistleblowers I think the message will be clear that he's too corrupt for a second term. A failed impeachment conviction would be an unforced error on our part.

On the other hand if the Mueller report is considerably worse than the rosy picture Barr is giving us then yes, full steam ahead. And then impeach Barr too while we're at it. The Senate would still probably fail to convict but if the evidence is bad then it would tarnish the Senate Republicans and both they and Trump would still take a hit.

Star Member uponit7771 (53,393 posts)

24. THIS !!!! The excuse of handing Red Don a win is fallacious at best. Clinton was popular with republicans and indies at the time of his impeachment Red Don will be neither.

if you keep shouting the lie over and over...

[67 Rover]

kentuck (90,767 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212010666

What percentage of the vote would Trump get in 2020 if he was impeached in the House?
How much would he increase his present 40-45%?

Would that be enough to change the outcome of the election in 2020?

How many people would be so pissed off that they would vote for Trump just for spite?

Would it be so disastrous that he would win in a landslide again?

I'm curious to how people think this would change the next election?

Is it too much of a gamble to take?

FIFY

Star Member uponit7771 (53,393 posts)

24. THIS !!!! The excuse of handing Red Don a win is fallacious at best. Clinton was popular with republicans and indies at the time of his impeachment Red Don will be neither.

Popular with Republicans and Demonrats?  Is that why he only won with a plurality?

[franksolich]

People liked Clinton

Well, but alas for the primitive, people like Trump too.

Clinton was impeached for lying about consensual sex.

True, but it makes no difference what he lied about; he lied, and committed perjury, a crime.

Clinton was popular with republicans.....at the time of his impeachment

^^^

[SVPete]

How many ? keys does kt consume per year?

Is kt admitting that Ds are planning to use impeachment as part of their strategy for 2020?

[Big Dog]

For the lurking DUmmies: I am a libertarian. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016. If you file articles of impeachment, I will vote for him in 2020, and I'm not the only one.

[SVPete]

I think the reason Miss Nancy is trying to avert an impeachment debate and vote is that she believes it will be an election nightmare in 2020 if the Ds go ahead with it. I think she is correct on that point, but I think her control of the Ds' House caucus is somewhere between slipping and slipped.

[FiddyBeowulf]

I think the reason Miss Nancy is trying to avert an impeachment debate and vote is that she believes it will be an election nightmare in 2020 if the Ds go ahead with it.

It would be interesting for the democrat candidates if they push impeachment. Impeachment could eclipse the democrat primaries, reduce turn out and allow a long shot candidate with a good ground game to win some primaries.

[VelvetElvis]

Repubs impeaching Clinton, and then Senate Repubs failing to convict, stated to open my eyes to the existence of the Deep state and the GOPe.
Nominating McCain and Mittens to hand things to Obama helped seal it for me.

And at the end of it all, this is how we got Trump. I voted for him to prevent Hillary, but would now endure pain and hardship, swarms of bees, and crawl on broken glass in Tabasco sauce to vote for the guy.

The Dems are probably entering a similar cycle, which may result in the silent cadre of sane traditional Dems electing their own version of Trump.
Here's hoping they fail.
Spectacularly.

[GOP Congress]

The biggest impact impeachment would have is in the campaign emails sent out by Democrat challengers against the GOP senators who vote NOT to convict Trump once they get the impeachment papers. Just like anything else the AOC-led Democrat Party does, it's all about getting the money,t then the votes, then the actual power cudgels to destroy the country.

[Old n Grumpy]

kentuck (90,767 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212010666

What percentage of the vote would Trump get in 2020 if he was impeached in the House?

Well if we work it like the dems about 125%, if we count the dead, "found" votes, illegals and multiple voters possibly as high as 175%

[SVPete]

High enough to launch Trump-Russia Collusion 2.0!  

[FiddyBeowulf]

High enough to launch Trump-Russia Collusion 2.0!  

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[jukin]

More than any of the incompetent democrat lairs would.

[Big Dog]

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