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Seven Brits among 157 dead after Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes just minutes after take off amid anger rescue services took TWO HOURS to reach the site as safety record of 737 is questioned
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6791675/Ethiopian-Airlines-plane-way-Nairobi-crashes-157-people-board.html

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An Ethiopian Airlines plane has crashed killing 149 passengers and 8 crew onboard, just minutes after take-off.

The plane heading to Nairobi left Ethiopia this morning but came down within six minutes - 37 miles from Addis Ababa International Airport.

Seven British nationals were onboard the plane at the time, while there were eighteen Canadians, eight Americans and 32 Kenyan nationals.

What was going on before the crash.

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According to Swedish flight-tracking website flightradar24 the flight 'had unstable vertical speed' shortly after take off.

Aviation experts have said this is extremely unusual. Once a plane has taken off the vertical speed is expected to rise during ascent or remain stable. Figures shown today reveal how the speed dramatically fluctuated.

Aviation expert Sally Gethin explained unstable vertical speed.

She said: 'It's the rate of climb or descent - the most critical phases of flight. Instability at that point e.g. too slow - could destabilise the aircraft, potentially risking stalling and other hazardous consequences. Might indicate the pilots had difficulty controlling the climb/ascent.'

The vertical speed was unstable and fluctuating. The airplane involved is 737 MAX 8. It is the same airplane involved in Lion Air Flight 610 crash.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2019, 10:47:06 AM by Ptarmigan »
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Who in their right mind would want to fly on Ethiopian air? :thatsright:
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Two possibilities come to my mind. It sounds like either engine failure or the flaps not in the correct configuration for takeoff is what caused the crash to me.

Not an expert on air crashes but from what I've seen watching Air Disasters on the Smithsonian channel.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2019, 08:43:32 PM by Zathras »
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Who in their right mind would want to fly on Ethiopian air? :thatsright:

True!  Any third-world airline is always a risk.

A little gallows humor...

Third-World Airlines have a a not very well known slogan: "You might be shaking hands with Jesus!"
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In Consultation with the FAA, NTSB and its Customers, Boeing Supports Action to Temporarily Ground 737 MAX Operations
https://boeing.mediaroom.com/news-releases-statements?item=130404

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March 13, 2019 – Boeing continues to have full confidence in the safety of the 737 MAX.  However, after consultation with the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), and aviation authorities and its customers around the world, Boeing has determined -- out of an abundance of caution and in order to reassure the flying public of the aircraft’s safety -- to recommend to the FAA the temporary suspension of operations of the entire global fleet of 371 737 MAX aircraft.

Boeing 737 MAX have been suspended in America.
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Pilots trained for Boeing’s 737 Max airplane with “an iPad lesson for an hour”
https://qz.com/1574878/pilots-trained-for-boeing-737-max-with-one-hour-ipad-lesson/

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US pilots got an extra hour or two of training to prepare to use Boeing’s new 737 Max 8 aircraft, which has been involved in two deadly crashes in less than six months.

The first crash involved a Lion Air flight in Indonesia that plunged into the sea soon after takeoff in October last year, killing all 189 on board. A week ago, an Ethiopian Airlines flight crashed six minutes after taking off, killing 157 people. After the second crash, China grounded the aircraft, and was quickly followed by other nations. The US Federal Aviation Administration initially allowed airlines in the US to keep flying the plane, but on Wednesday (March 13) grounded both the Max 8 and Max 9 models, citing refined satellite data and “physical evidence” found at the scene that showed similarities between the two crashes.

Pilots training for the Boeing 737 MAX got minimum training. No mention of the MCAS system.
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In the US, Southwest Airlines has 31 of the 737 Max planes, American Airlines 24, and United 14, according to Boeing data through February. Dennis Tajer, spokesman for the American Airlines pilot union, told Quartz that the training prior to the Lion Air crash for pilots qualified to fly the 737-800 amounted to “an iPad lesson for an hour.” Since the Lion Air crash, he said, pilots have had training with an instructor, and pilots have also “requested, if not demanded, simulators.”

In a statement, American Airlines said, “Boeing 737-800 pilots were required to receive some additional training on the MAX 8, which included an hour lesson on some differences. Additional training was not required, as the 737-800 and the MAX 8 have same type certification.”

A New York Times report (paywall) said pilots at United put together a 13-page guide to the 737 Max, which did not mention the MCAS, as well as taking a two-hour iPad lesson about the plane.
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