The Key to Selling Medicare for All Is Simple. Rockhead

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MineralMan (98,529 posts)

The Key to Selling Medicare for All Is Simple


Here's the basic message that will need to be used. the actual message will depend on how the system is configured, but will look something like this. It's easy to understand and makes sense.


Learn The Basics of Medicare for All

With Medicare for All, your healthcare will work much like it does now, but will cost less!

1. If your employer currently pays part of your health insurance premium, that will continue. Your contribution will also continue as it does now. Due to the savings of a single-payer system, however, the cost will be lower in almost all cases.

2. If you currently pay 100% of your health insurance premium, you'll continue to do so, but the amount of that premium will be lower in almost all cases.

3. If you currently are covered by Medicare, you won't really notice any changes. Your basic premium will be automatically deducted from your Social Security benefit, and you can purchase supplemental coverage as you do now.

4. Medicare for All pays 80% of medical costs in almost all situations. If you wish, you can purchase a supplemental insurance plan from any available provider to cover the remaining 20%, just as Medicare recipients have been doing for many years. Generally premium costs for supplemental coverage are very affordable and most people will take this option.

5. If your income is below a selected multiple of the poverty line, government subsidies will be available to reduce your premium costs to a level you can afford. In some cases, you will pay no premium at all for coverage.

For more details on Medicare for All healthcare coverage, please click this link.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029596300


FREE FREE FREE!!!!! 

[SVPete]

6. Close all DMV offices for 2 years so people forget what government healthcare would be like.

[Old n Grumpy]

It's magic, single payer will instantly make it cheaper!! The cost of insurance isn't the problem, it is the actual cost of medical care. until that is resolved nothing will change.

For all the welfare leeches all they care about is having someone else pay for their coverage. Personally I think if you are on welfare you don't deserve anything other than band aids and aspirin.

The magic negro promised lower costs and better coverage, he lied to you all.

[DumbAss Tanker]

With Medicare for All, your healthcare will work much like it does now, but will cost less!

Since I'm on TriCare for Life/Medicare, color me skeptical.

I suppose single-payer is a backward way to get interstate portability and guaranteed ability to get coverage, but it seems like the most government-centric and inefficient way possible to get there.

[Ralph Wiggum]

That was supposed to be simple?  Jeez, I've read NIH grant documents and IRS forms more understandably that that jibberish, Rockhead.

[Undies]

The main problem with Free Government Medical Care For All is that it ultimately will not make leftists happy.  There will always be those who can afford better than what the Free Government Medical care For All will certainly become.  And then the fight will start all over again. 

Does anyone really think that when Leonardo DeCaprio starts having serious prostate problem that he will seek help at Public Care facility #17 ?

[Carl]

Another 2500.00 in my pocket?

[Wineslob]

2. If you currently pay 100% of your health insurance premium, you'll continue to do so, but the amount of that premium will be lower in almost all cases.

Do you actually READ the crap you spew?

3. If you currently are covered by Medicare, you won't really notice any changes. Your basic premium will be automatically deducted from your Social Security benefit, and you can purchase supplemental coverage as you do now.

Same question shit-for-brains.

4. Medicare for All pays 80% of medical costs in almost all situations. If you wish, you can purchase a supplemental insurance plan from any available provider to cover the remaining 20%, just as Medicare recipients have been doing for many years. Generally premium costs for supplemental coverage are very affordable and most people will take this option.

5. If your income is below a selected multiple of the poverty line, government subsidies will be available to reduce your premium costs to a level you can afford. In some cases, you will pay no premium at all for coverage.

Such as welfare leeches?

And you idiots can't understand why Trump won.....

 

[Carl]

If there is any doubt how utterly stupid George is then let that be satisfied.

Response to Hoyt (Reply #9)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 10:49 AM

Star Member MineralMan (98,567 posts)
13. Well, if a single-payer concept is what it's supposed to be,

then it will lower individual costs, simply due to the reduction in administrative costs alone. It will also equalize revenues for providers. Will there be adjustments to be made on the healthcare industry. Damned straight! Good.

But, for the average Jane, the whole healthcare thing should cost less. If there is one payer, that payer can dictate what can be charged for pretty much everything. That's the equalizing factor. It's going to be a revolutionary change, but one that will be adapted to.

For example, the multi-specialty clinic where I get primary care has its own freaking MRI machine. A block away from it is an imaging center with three of the damned things. My clinic does not need its own, nor do its patients. There is massive duplication of technology that has to be paid for. Screw that. I can go down the block for an MRI if I need one.

The whole thing is going to require many changes, but individual voters don't care about any of that. They just want to know that they'll get the care they need without paying lots more for a more effective, efficient system. If whatever is proposed can't provide that, then it's the wrong system and should be changed so it can.

To succeed, any system that is proposed is going to have to ensure access to care at a lower price than the current system. If it doesn't do that, then it's the wrong proposal, frankly.

They did not buy an enormously expensive machine simply to charge more dumbass.
They bought it to deliver services at a profit with the desire to encourage patronage because of the convenience and service they offer.

You are too ****ing stupid to realize that you just summed up single payer,no provider care though retard.
There won`t be 1 or 4 MRI machines close as a government bureaucracy will determine that in order to save fees and restrict usage having a machine 100 miles away from you is just perfect.

[Carl]

Response to MineralMan (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 11:36 AM

Star Member Hoyt (30,834 posts)
15. I don't buy that reduction in admin cost. Fact is, docs submit the same claim to any payer and

put the same charge on the claim. The payer pays and the doctor's office writes off any difference between the plan's allowable and the charge the doctor sent.

Some people think that if we remove requirements for getting plan approval -- called prior approval or pre-certification -- that will save a lot of admin time. Well, you do that on everything and you'll have the same issue Medicare does now -- overutilization.

The reason there are all those MRI machines is that Medicare pretty much pays for them without checking for medical necessity until years after that fact, if at all. If that is not controlled, the cost for Medicare-for-all will be astronomical.

Overtime, we are going to have to get doctors away from owning all these ancillary billing schemes. I know for a fact that when doctors profit from ordering tests, they order them more often than when they don't profit.

There should be savings in the system, but we are also picking up a bunch of uninsured (which is good); supposedly doing away with the 20% Medicare charges or the higher copays private insurers often require; dental and vision care; etc. I just don't see how it is going to be a lot cheaper to the average Joe who will have to pay the majority of the cost, especially short-term.

You are exactly right, to make this thing work a lot of changes have to be made. Everyone -- providers, equipment manufacturers, nurses who work in provider offices/facilities, and even patients -- are going to have to change their expectations. I'm not sure the desire is there to do that. Hopefully it is.

When Hoyt is smarter than you George you really should evaluate flapping your gums.

[SVPete]

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 10:49 AM

Star Member MineralMan (98,567 posts)
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For example, the multi-specialty clinic where I get primary care has its own freaking MRI machine. A block away from it is an imaging center with three of the damned things. My clinic does not need its own, nor do its patients. There is massive duplication of technology that has to be paid for. Screw that. I can go down the block for an MRI if I need one.

Canuckia has solved that "problem". They have restricted the number of MRI scanners. So much so that Canuckians have to choose between long delays to have a scan done or paying a "medical tourism" visit to the US.

Meanwhile, in the late 1980s I was able to get a scan appointment within two weeks, and a couple of months ago, after an event I mentioned elsewhere, I was able to get a scan appointment within a week. Another thing MM doesn't realize is that having those choices available is a downward pressure on the price he pays.

But that's all thinking beyond what Dr. Thomas Sowell calls "Stage 1".

[GOP Congress]

Sure as hell sounds like, "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. And it will all be $2,500 cheaper."

But the DUmmies don't know that.

[Old n Grumpy]

How about closing all the medical facilities here and moving it all down to Mexico where it all will be a whole lot cheaper? Turn hospitals here into bus stations for a free trip to Tijuana to see the doctor.

[SVPete]

MineralMan (98,529 posts)

The Key to Selling Medicare for All Is Simple

Sure as hell sounds like, "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. And it will all be $2,500 cheaper."

But the DUmmies don't know that.

Yup! "The Key to Selling Medicare for All Is Simple": Lie. A LOT!

[I_B_Perky]

What the dummies fail to realize is that medicaid and medicare are the biggest drivers behind insurance costs for the rest of us.

4 simple facts:

1. The federal government has the ability, and they use it, to require care providers to take what they pay them for services.
2. Those payments are below the cost of the services.
3. Providers must at least break even or go out of business
4. In order to not go out of business they charge everyone else more for services

Want to drop the cost of medical care in the US? Kill medicaid and take the money and apply it to medicare payments.

[diesel driver]

What the dummies fail to realize is that medicaid and medicare are the biggest drivers behind insurance costs for the rest of us.

4 simple facts:

1. The federal government has the ability, and they use it, to require care providers to take what they pay them for services.
2. Those payments are below the cost of the services.
3. Providers must at least break even or go out of business
4. In order to not go out of business they charge everyone else more for services

Want to drop the cost of medical care in the US? Kill medicaid and take the money and apply it to medicare payments.

On top of that, perky, Medicare doesn't keep track of what the actual costs of things are.

My mother-in-law got a wheelchair thru a medical supply company near me.  The chair cost $140.00 out the door.  But since she has Medicare and Medicaid, the company was paid $895.00 for the chair by the government...

Meanwhile, Medicare only pays $160 for a $1,500 MRI...  

[I_B_Perky]

On top of that, perky, Medicare doesn't keep track of what the actual costs of things are.

My mother-in-law got a wheelchair thru a medical supply company near me.  The chair cost $140.00 out the door.  But since she has Medicare and Medicaid, the company was paid $895.00 for the chair by the government...

Meanwhile, Medicare only pays $160 for a $1,500 MRI...  

Exactly DD.  And that is not the total cost of medicaid.  Not only does the federal gummint pay for the actual provider costs, they also pay the states a tidy sum to run the system.  Costs such as computer systems, the people to run it, etc.  A while back I saw in the local rag that the state of WV was going to procure a new medicaid system, all paid for by the feds, for 800 million dollars.

800 million bucks to keep track of who is enrolled in the system in a state that has 1.6 million people and what they pay out?  Good gravy! Seems their current system works just fine but noooooo... we got to buy a new one.

There is the damned waste.  I can't imagine what the cost would be for say mexifornia.   

[docstew]

It's magic, single payer will instantly make it cheaper!! The cost of insurance isn't the problem, it is the actual cost of medical care. until that is resolved nothing will change.

For all the welfare leeches all they care about is having someone else pay for their coverage. Personally I think if you are on welfare you don't deserve anything other than band aids and aspirin.

The magic negro promised lower costs and better coverage, he lied to you all.

The only good way in which single-payer would bring down costs would be because the "defensive medicine" required to avoid a malpractice lawsuit unnecessary. Who wants to bet that if the government started paying those bills, they'd make it illegal to sue, like they do with military healthcare?

[FiddyBeowulf]

MineralMan (98,529 posts)

The Key to Selling Medicare for All Is Simple

With Medicare for All, your healthcare will work much like it does now, but will cost less!

1. If your employer currently pays part of your health insurance premium, that will continue. Your contribution will also continue as it does now. Due to the savings of a single-payer system, however, the cost will be lower in almost all cases.

Hmm...
1. Go to single payer.
2. ?????????????
3. Savings.

Sounds like a realistic plan. 

[Carl]

Hmm...
1. Go to single payer.
2. ?????????????
3. Savings.

Sounds like a realistic plan. 

The same people that bitch about waste in defense spending think the government will be efficient in managing 350 million peoples healthcare. 

[thundley4]

What DUmmies and other liberals backing single payer fail to address is that by putting limits on the cost of medical treatment, you are forcing people to work for less than they value their own time and abilities.

What next, force doctors to treat people for free?

[I_B_Perky]

What DUmmies and other liberals backing single payer fail to address is that by putting limits on the cost of medical treatment, you are forcing people to work for less than they value their own time and abilities.

What next, force doctors to treat people for free?

The dummies have already floated that idea.  I think the dentist in Phillie was the only one against it.