I see and have seen passionate as well as sometimes intelligent discussions about these issues for years,but NEVER see any pros to oppose the cons.
So I am going to state some in order to start a discussion where the OTHER side of the arguments is also stated.
Oh, joy. I can hardly wait.
We all know the anti-eugenics and anti-abortion points,and they ALL seem to be based entirely on emotions and religious beliefs. I am NOT claiming those are bad reasons,just trying to state what *I* think are the basic facts.
Did you ever stop to think that human beings - especially those who have experienced the joy of a live child in their arms - are CONSTRUCTED of that same "emotion" that you appear to ridicule, despite your claim to the contrary? And then you, in your sheer arrogance, spout what *YOU* "think are the basic facts." But OK - let's walk down this road. I'd like to hear more of what YOU think are "basic facts".
The Eugenics people base their intellectual (mostly unspoken) argument on some pretty solid facts,namely that there is a finite amount of resources available on the planet,and the sick,the lame,the stupid,and the lazy use up more than their fair share and contribute nothing in return in a modern world where grunt labor has very little value to societies,and has less value with each passing year.
I have no illusions here about your slant. You seem to extol the premise that "resources" are "limited." That plays into a special kind of emotion that is borne of certain "scientists" who claim that without them, mankind is doomed. No, you didn't use those words, but that is your (and the "scientists'") stranglehold on those who dare not think for themselves.
Now, let's discuss what kind of "resources" are limited. Water? Oil? Coal? Food? I'll agree that the hydrocarbon-based energy resources are limited since they took tens of thousands of years to develop - but then again, what kind of technology does it take to leverage those resources out of the ground? How cheaply can that be done? What is the cost, and are we prepared to pay that cost?
Drinking water can be extracted from the sea. The Saudis do it all the time.
Food? When it gets right down to it, we haven't even begun to explore this issue, largely because of culture biases and the fact that resources in providing that food are plentiful enough. And getting better.
In addition there are birth rates to consider,and no one can argue that the most productive and educated societies produce fewer babies than the ignorant and backwards societies,therefore creating a situation where unless things change radically there will be a tiny minority of the world population that will essentially be working and denying themselves the joys of larger families and more productive nations in order to provide food,shelter,clothing,medical care,comfort,and entertainment for a massive population of people who are little more advanced than cave men,and who have no interest in advancing any further or even taking care of themselves because the advanced and industrious people's and nations will take care of them.
Here we've arrived at your basic point. Humankind has "classes". Those who are fortunate enough to be born into the so-called "productive and educated societies" are cursed to support the "cavemen". **** you, you arrogant prick. Don't try to tell me that you don't think this way yourself. Nobody would even pretend to think this way unless they do already.
What you and others who think like you fail to realize is that there will always be the "cavemen" and others less fortunate than others. What you would do, then, is simply eradicate that segment of humankind that presents an inconvenience for you. Much easier to then count your 30 pieces of silver, eh? Asshole.
The planet Earth is a closed system and there can be no question about there being a finite amount of resources available,regardless of how many people need or demand those resources for themselves. The abortion and eugenics people don't seem to want to say this out loud,but you don't have to have a Doctorate in Sociology to understand that at some point the needy will outnumber the providers by a massive percentage of the world's population because they are breeding like rabbits while the providers are limiting their family sizes in order to provide more comfort and stability.
"Closed system?" In what way? Your thinking is clearly narrow-minded to the point that you completely fail to consider technology and how that technology continually breeds more and better access to resources that we hadn't even considered before. For example, we continually find oil resources that were previously unattainable. To the point that reserves are triple what they used to be. Even bullshit energy sources like solar are becoming cheaper and easier - though still as ugly - than ever.
IF you accept this projection as an indisputable truth,and given human nature it sure seems to be an indisputable truth,we will eventually arrive at a point where the necessities of life as well as the luxuries are running out,and the mobs will revolt and demand ALL the necessities as well as the luxuries be given to them instead of kept for themselves by the people responsible for creating and producing them,and that is when the violent revolution will happen that will virtually take the planet back to the Stone Age as the humans that are little more than animals murder off the productive people in order to get the luxuries they want.
I accept NOTHING as an indisputable truth - because those "truths" are constructed of distortions and half-truths, most of the time. And your mob rule fear installation is geared toward those who cannot think for themselves. Congratulations. You've become the poster child for the DUmbasses.
I am not real sure how well I have stated the POV of the Eugenics and Abortion people because they never seem to be interested in discussing the WHY's of their POV.
...the rest snipped except to say that the poster wants us to believe that THEY and not HE are the Eugenicists and Abortionists are they that wantonly murder and abort and otherwise put themselves in a position of who receives life and who doesn't....
Sneaky Pete - I have no idea who the **** you are or what you pretend to believe. Couldn't be less interested in that. All I know is that your premise is alarmingly transparent. You write an expose that supposedly asks questions, but in your zeal to answer them you reveal your real leanings.
**** you, asshole. Murder is murder. Human life is precious. Get used to that idea, and you just might be able to look at yourself in the mirror and accept the result.
