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Curious Question
« on: July 21, 2008, 12:41:18 PM »
Do you believe in legislating morality?
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2008, 12:59:11 PM »
I voted no, but must add a caveat.......most of what we conservatives perceive as "moral" has sound basis in the logic and history behind preserving a ordered and civil society.  Many of these concepts arrived from religion in the middle ages, and were initially expressed in cannon law, and as our western society evolved, were transmuted into civil law.

Those factors considered, it becomes difficult to separate what is "moral", from what is "necessary for preservation of a civil society".....therein lies the conundrum.  This becomes somewhat more complex when you inject the fact that "morality" is defined differently by different groups in society.

Therefore if you equate "morality" with "what has historically proven to be best for an ordered society", I would have to have answered your question differently......

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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2008, 01:08:29 PM »
We already legislate morality.  We always have.  We always will.
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2008, 01:48:27 PM »
In many aspects laws and regulations are 'legislation of Morality". Not all members of society abide by acceptable societal behavior and as such society has prescribed(legislated) penalties for such behaviors/actions.

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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2008, 05:06:45 PM »
Quote from: MrsSmith on July 21, 2008, 01:08:29 PM
We already legislate morality.  We always have.  We always will.
Exactly.  It's the basis of our laws.
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2008, 07:25:25 PM »
Quote from: MrsSmith on July 21, 2008, 01:08:29 PM
We already legislate morality.  We always have.  We always will.

If government had a way to read minds, would you be in favor of it prosecuting people for having immoral thoughts?
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2008, 07:46:45 PM »
Quote from: The Night Owl on July 21, 2008, 07:25:25 PM
Quote from: MrsSmith on July 21, 2008, 01:08:29 PM
We already legislate morality.  We always have.  We always will.

If government had a way to read minds, would you be in favor of it prosecuting people for having immoral thoughts?
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2008, 07:50:03 PM »
Quote from: Zeus on July 21, 2008, 07:46:45 PM
Quote from: The Night Owl on July 21, 2008, 07:25:25 PM
Quote from: MrsSmith on July 21, 2008, 01:08:29 PM
We already legislate morality.  We always have.  We always will.

If government had a way to read minds, would you be in favor of it prosecuting people for having immoral thoughts?
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No I am not a supporter/proponent of Hate Crimes legislation.

that would be islam.
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2008, 07:54:55 PM »
Quote from: The Night Owl on July 21, 2008, 07:25:25 PM
Quote from: MrsSmith on July 21, 2008, 01:08:29 PM
We already legislate morality.  We always have.  We always will.

If government had a way to read minds, would you be in favor of it prosecuting people for having immoral thoughts?

You slay me. Your peeps already think they can read minds, that's why they offer up hate crimes legislation. Nice one TNO.  :lmao:
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2008, 07:57:07 PM »
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2008, 09:39:59 PM »
Quote from: The Night Owl on July 21, 2008, 07:25:25 PM
Quote from: MrsSmith on July 21, 2008, 01:08:29 PM
We already legislate morality.  We always have.  We always will.

If government had a way to read minds, would you be in favor of it prosecuting people for having immoral thoughts?
Wow, I bet you feel stupid by now.   :lmao:
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2008, 09:42:07 PM »
Quote from: The Night Owl on July 21, 2008, 07:25:25 PM
Quote from: MrsSmith on July 21, 2008, 01:08:29 PM
We already legislate morality.  We always have.  We always will.

If government had a way to read minds, would you be in favor of it prosecuting people for having immoral thoughts?
It does so now -- it is called "Hate Crime."
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2008, 12:58:34 AM »
Quote from: The Night Owl on July 21, 2008, 07:25:25 PM
Quote from: MrsSmith on July 21, 2008, 01:08:29 PM
We already legislate morality.  We always have.  We always will.

If government had a way to read minds, would you be in favor of it prosecuting people for having immoral thoughts?

Having "thoughts" and acting on those thoughts are two different things.

For example, everytime I read one of your stupid ass statements I think to myself "he really needs his ass kicked" but that is not illegal...now if I was to really kick your ****ing ass, I could go to jail for that.

Understand now?



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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2008, 01:14:55 PM »
Quote from: RobJohnson on July 22, 2008, 12:58:34 AM
Having "thoughts" and acting on those thoughts are two different things.

Let me try this a different way...

A lot of people consider sex outside of marriage to be immoral. Should government legislate against sex outside of marriage?
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2008, 02:49:57 PM »
No, but you can't have sex outside.  :tongue:   Dipshit
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2008, 06:52:18 PM »
Quote from: The Night Owl on July 22, 2008, 01:14:55 PM
Quote from: RobJohnson on July 22, 2008, 12:58:34 AM
Having "thoughts" and acting on those thoughts are two different things.

Let me try this a different way...

A lot of people consider sex outside of marriage to be immoral. Should government legislate against sex outside of marriage?

A lot of people consider liberals to be immoral and genetically defective.  Should government legislate they be put to painful death?


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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2008, 06:53:23 PM »
Quote from: Wineslob on July 22, 2008, 02:49:57 PM
No, but you can't have sex outside.  :tongue:   Dipshit

TNO might have sex in 4 or 5 years when he turns 18.  But he'll have to pay for it.
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2008, 06:54:02 PM »
Quote from: freedumb2003 on July 22, 2008, 06:52:18 PM
Quote from: The Night Owl on July 22, 2008, 01:14:55 PM
Quote from: RobJohnson on July 22, 2008, 12:58:34 AM
Having "thoughts" and acting on those thoughts are two different things.

Let me try this a different way...

A lot of people consider sex outside of marriage to be immoral. Should government legislate against sex outside of marriage?

A lot of people consider liberals to be immoral and genetically defective.  Should government legislate they be put to painful death?




Stalin did. Hitler did. Pol Pot did., etc etc etc...
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2008, 06:55:47 PM »
Quote from: dutch508 on July 22, 2008, 06:54:02 PM
Quote from: freedumb2003 on July 22, 2008, 06:52:18 PM
Quote from: The Night Owl on July 22, 2008, 01:14:55 PM
Quote from: RobJohnson on July 22, 2008, 12:58:34 AM
Having "thoughts" and acting on those thoughts are two different things.

Let me try this a different way...

A lot of people consider sex outside of marriage to be immoral. Should government legislate against sex outside of marriage?

A lot of people consider liberals to be immoral and genetically defective.  Should government legislate they be put to painful death?




Stalin did. Hitler did. Pol Pot did., etc etc etc...

I think they killed the people who can think.  The dumb (liberals) ones they left alive to help them.
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2008, 07:23:44 PM »
Quote from: Vonne on July 22, 2008, 07:08:52 PM

Actually, I believe there is legislation against adultery in several states.  Just as in some states it's illegal for a male and female to live together or a girl under the age of consent to have her socks off in a car  :mental:

Perhaps they've changed some of the laws, but those sites and books on irrefutably bizarre laws tend to have things of that sort. 

I'm not talking about adultery. I'm talking about sex between consenting and unmarried people.
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2008, 07:37:11 PM »
Murder is immoral, yet we legislate against it. 

Theft is immoral, ditto. 

Perjury, ditto. 

Adultery, ditto. 

Incest... 

Sexual abuse of children...

Sexual abuse of animals...

Sexual abuse of the dead...

We also legislate against free speech from Christians, even on private property

We legislate against adults driving or riding in cars without seat belts

We legislate against smokers

But TNO is all worried that someone may start enforcing the statutes on fornication?   :lmao:
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2008, 07:57:47 PM »
Quote from: MrsSmith on July 22, 2008, 07:37:11 PM
Murder is immoral, yet we legislate against it. 

Theft is immoral, ditto. 

Perjury, ditto. 

Adultery, ditto. 

Incest... 

Sexual abuse of children...

Sexual abuse of animals...

Sexual abuse of the dead...

We also legislate against free speech from Christians, even on private property

We legislate against adults driving or riding in cars without seat belts

We legislate against smokers

But TNO is all worried that someone may start enforcing the statutes on fornication?   :lmao:

liberals are incapable of making distinctions, especially moral ones.
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2008, 08:02:16 PM »
Quote from: Wineslob on July 22, 2008, 02:49:57 PM
No, but you can't have sex outside.  :tongue:   Dipshit
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2008, 11:15:12 PM »
Quote from: Vonne on July 22, 2008, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: The Night Owl on July 22, 2008, 07:23:44 PM
I'm not talking about adultery. I'm talking about sex between consenting and unmarried people.

Sorry for the mix up, but oddly enough what I posted still stands.  As the definition of adultery and sodomy by various states, are well... wild in some cases, not even resembling what you'd assume them to be. 

Our laws are biblically based, no matter how people deny that today.  Biblically, fornication was adultery against your future spouse, so the same sin.  Any sex with any person except your spouse, whether or not you were currently married, was sinful.   :-)
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Re: Curious Question
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2008, 11:22:50 PM »
Quote from: Vonne on July 21, 2008, 12:41:18 PM
Do you believe in legislating morality?


Morality can not be legislated.  Nor should there be any attempt to do so.
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